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Offline brencam

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2010 Upgrade Problems
« on: October 18, 2011, 12:34:27 PM »
I just upgraded my 2010 PCLOS install  (via aptupgrade) and am having a few problems:

 - Google Chrome has vanished from my internet app list (was there before). I tried to reinstall from package manager but get the dependency error - rpmlib not installable <=4.4.6.1

- Default fonts have reverted to basic monospaced and screen appearance does not look quite right.  App menu bars are all in basic monospaced fonts.

- Custom Task bar Icons  (apps, konsole/terminal shortcuts, etc that I installed have been removed)

I'm concerned that the upgrade may have broken some other apps. If I was to reinstall a clean PCLOS 2011 instead what is the re commended backup/restore procedure to recover my current files/apps?

Please advise

TIA
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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2011, 12:39:07 PM »
How long since your last update please?
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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2011, 12:52:28 PM »
Original install was about 18 months ago - periodic minor app updates/installs since then. Yesterday was the first time I attempted the major aptgetupdate.

Not sure if that helps or hurts.

P.S. - I just noticed that my shortcuts to apps like Dolphin file manage etc are also broken.
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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2011, 01:24:50 PM »
Original install was about 18 months ago - periodic minor app updates/installs since then. Yesterday was the first time I attempted the major aptgetupdate.

Not sure if that helps or hurts.

P.S. - I just noticed that my shortcuts to apps like Dolphin file manage etc are also broken.


See if we can clarify a few things.

When you say periodic minor app updates does that mean you updated a few items at a time or did you do "full" updates?  i.e. did you choose what was updated and things you didn't want updated you left as they were?

And specifically today's update - was that a full update or just apps you wanted to update?

And you mentioned the aptupgrade - is this what you're referring to?

http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,96430.0/topicseen.html

If you go into Synaptic, and go to File > History - does it show the last update(s) before today's? if so what date was it?
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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2011, 01:40:42 PM »
brencam,

PCLinuxOS is a rolling release. You have to update everything regularly (at least once a month and preferably much more often) if you are going to upgrade or install anything at all.

If you never update a program or install a new one you can of course run the system indefinitely without any upgrades, but after a few months you won't be able to install any new packages before you've reinstalled your whole system. Trying to do anyway it will most likely break your install.

And if you upgrade your system from the CLI, never use the command "apt-get upgrade". Always first run "apt-get update" and then "apt-get dist-upgrade". ("apt-get upgrade" will upgrade everything upgradable, but ignoring changing dependencies, and running it will sooner or later break your system.)

The command "aptupgrade" is another matter. (See menotu's link.) And it won't upgrade your system, just a few programs needed for upgrading.

For your second question, use the forum search and look for for "backup". Note that it may be possible to resque your present setup but reinstalling is probably much faster even if you have to back up an restore your data.

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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2011, 02:01:27 PM »
OK - just checked the Synaptic log - entries include:
 - prev app install on Oct 12
 - full upgrade today

(FWIW I had not used PCLOS (no updates at all for a 3/4 mths as I was using Win7 under dual boot until recently).

I suspect that I may have to bite the bullet now (lesson learned the hard way) and reinstall PCLOS from a fresh ISO  CD at this point as I think my install is severely broken at this point.

FYI - I use the package mgr for all upgrades -  never use the CLI for a package install unless it's a third party/commercial app - and then I know that could introduce some possible issues - however I do use/need some of these apps.

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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 03:26:46 PM »


As per the main pclinuxos.com news page

http://www.pclinuxos.com/?p=1457

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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2011, 03:49:12 AM »
Would it be feasible to have some kind of notification system in synaptic or update-notifier to warn users of essential changes, like the need to install aptupgrade?

Personally I only discovered about aptupgrade by reading the website, and I've fallen foul of this before (last time with changes to repositories, for example). Without visiting this forum, I would probably never have known.

I'm not a newbie or a luddite, but I'm not an active developer either. A system notification which told me without searching the forums that I had to do something essential, like installing aptupgrade, would be really really useful.

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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2011, 04:01:06 AM »
Would it be feasible to have some kind of notification system in synaptic or update-notifier to warn users of essential changes, like the need to install aptupgrade?

Personally I only discovered about aptupgrade by reading the website, and I've fallen foul of this before (last time with changes to repositories, for example). Without visiting this forum, I would probably never have known.

I'm not a newbie or a luddite, but I'm not an active developer either. A system notification which told me without searching the forums that I had to do something essential, like installing aptupgrade, would be really really useful.

Would it be too much for folks to visit the homepage (on occasion) of the operating system they CHOSE to install?##

Doing this is less system invasive and is one less process to create

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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 04:07:20 AM »
The aptupgrade Software Announcement(s) have been available since June and also via 2 rss feeds - twitter and identi.ca - so the info has been there for a long time.

It should be "good practice" to check for announcements especially if one hasn't updated a system for a long time - which is not advisable
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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2011, 10:25:51 AM »
Enable notifications in the Software Announcements section, jakevoelcker. You'll get an email when something is posted there (not too often). Check Texstar's twitter feed at least once a week. These are things you can easily do.   

Also, you can install and set up update-notifier. This will inform you when there are updates available. 

Coding a program to pop up on your desktop to notify you every time there is news would be much more involved than you think and would of necessity be invasive. I will not work on such a project. There is plenty enough to be done already.

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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 10:57:01 AM »
Enable notifications in the Software Announcements section, jakevoelcker. You'll get an email when something is posted there (not too often). Check Texstar's twitter feed at least once a week. These are things you can easily do.   

Also, you can install and set up update-notifier. This will inform you when there are updates available. 




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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 11:11:26 AM »
Enable notifications in the Software Announcements section, jakevoelcker. You'll get an email when something is posted there (not too often). Check Texstar's twitter feed at least once a week. These are things you can easily do.   

Also, you can install and set up update-notifier. This will inform you when there are updates available. 



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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2011, 01:38:44 PM »
Enable notifications in the Software Announcements section, jakevoelcker. You'll get an email when something is posted there (not too often). Check Texstar's twitter feed at least once a week. These are things you can easily do.   


Great idea, thanks Neal.

Also, you can install and set up update-notifier. This will inform you when there are updates available. 


Yeah, I already use update-notifier and mostly it works really well, but for anything which requires user intervention (like changes to repo locations or installing aptupgrade) it doesn't really help because it doesn't tell the user that they need to do something. It just stops updating.

Coding a program to pop up on your desktop to notify you every time there is news would be much more involved than you think and would of necessity be invasive. I will not work on such a project. There is plenty enough to be done already.


I'm not suggesting a new notifications app, just a Synaptic or update-notifier message that just said e.g. "please go and download aptupgrade now" when something like that was required. It would only be used for crucial stuff where otherwise the system would stop updating, so wouldn't be invasive.

It's just a suggestion to make PCLOS more intuitive and friendly, especially to newbies and/or people who actually use it on work machines rather than for developers. IMHO it's already the best distro for this type of user anyway, but over the last couple of years I've seen so many posts on here from people saying "I didn't know I had to update it regularly" or "it didn't tell me that it had stopped updating itself" or similar. Seems like this is one area where users find it less than intuitive, and I can see why. Phones update themselves without needing user intervention. Users who are moving over from Mac and Windows will expect auto updates without having to manually change something every now and then. Even TV set-top-boxes and stuff like that download firmware and update automatically, or warn the user if any action is required.

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Re: 2010 Upgrade Problems
« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2011, 03:08:42 PM »
Yeah, I already use update-notifier and mostly it works really well, but for anything which requires user intervention (like changes to repo locations or installing aptupgrade) it doesn't really help because it doesn't tell the user that they need to do something. It just stops updating.
     

 ::) ::) ::) Of course not! That is not and never was what it is intended for.

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I'm not suggesting a new notifications app, just a Synaptic or update-notifier message that just said e.g. "please go and download aptupgrade now" when something like that was required. It would only be used for crucial stuff where otherwise the system would stop updating, so wouldn't be invasive.
     

So you want someone to recode an existing app for you? :-\ That would be as much work as coding a new app and as invasive. I think you do not understand what you are asking for. Pop-up messages are invasive. Did you never use a pop-up blocker on your windows?   

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It's just a suggestion to make PCLOS more intuitive and friendly, especially to newbies and/or people who actually use it on work machines rather than for developers.
 

PCLinuxOS is not and never has been a developer's distro. It was created and is maintained for home users.

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IMHO it's already the best distro for this type of user anyway, but over the last couple of years I've seen so many posts on here from people saying "I didn't know I had to update it regularly" or "it didn't tell me that it had stopped updating itself" or similar. Seems like this is one area where users find it less than intuitive, and I can see why. Phones update themselves without needing user intervention. Users who are moving over from Mac and Windows will expect auto updates without having to manually change something every now and then. Even TV set-top-boxes and stuff like that download firmware and update automatically, or warn the user if any action is required.
   

Menu > More Applications > Configuration > Configure Your Computer >>> give root password when asked >>> System > Manage system services by enabling or disabling them >>> put a tick mark beside APT (about the fourth entry down). Your system will update each time you boot up. This was posted about previously by Texstar.   

Linux is not windows. It never has been. If you expect us to rewrite all the code to make it 'just like windows,' prepare to be disappointed.     

It is quite easy to get the news from PCLinuxOS -> the home page - Software Announcements - twitter -< all are easily accessed. We provide the news and announcements. It is up to you to read them. In other words, it is your responsibility to take care of your system. We do our part by providing the system, updates to the system and news.