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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2011, 08:55:26 AM »
This link might help to determine if PA is properly installed or not ....

http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2011, 09:45:21 AM »
This link might help to determine if PA is properly installed or not ....

http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/KDE


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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2011, 06:37:45 AM »
May I ask, is there a particular reason why you do not connect the computer to the monitor by way of an hdmi cable?


My card does not have HDMI out, just DVI and d-sub. :(  Perhaps I have an earlier or budget version of the card?  I did not even know it was possible to get sound over DVI cable. I had to boot into windows once and heard startup sound, thought that was funny since I had the speakers shut off.  And realized it was coming from the TVs speakers.  Then I had to use windows another time to play a dvd with Powerdvd and thought it sounded better than my cheap speakers.


I think you might be best served to use task-pulseaudio-remove to uninstall PA after turning it off in PCC ....  if you had installed PA using the task-pulseaudio meta package to install it in the first place.

Reboot, and ignoring the state of the sound system, install it again using task-pulseaudio. In addition ensure that pavucontrol is installed.
Enable PA through PCC and immediately reboot.

When rebooted, launch pavucontrol and in the Configuration tab see what sound cards are available to you.
Your HDMI should be there in addition to the internal sound card.

Play an audio file and go to the playback tab on pavucontrol ...... there you should be able to choose through which sound card to play streams from whatever application you are using.

The above scheme has not failed here on some 5 different PCs and two laptops.

Don't assume that any part of the above sequence has been done properly up to now.
Do it again as above ....  it should work properly.

If the above doesn't work then maybe referencing this thread could help ......  bearing in mind that its content may be somewhat out of date by now

http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,83740.0.html


I did uninstall with task-pulseaudio (had installed it that way) then repeated the install (including pavucontrol) and rebooted in between everything and turning on pulseaudio in CC and rebooted again.  Same "connection failed" when I go into the pulse audio control.

I am quite sure this has something to do with whatever I "permanently disabled" when I initially installed PCLOS on this machine.  I had to do the install a couple of times when I screwed up things that weren't worth unscrewing at that early stage and each time on first boot a message came about disabling something in the sound to prevent problems and each time I said sure because the sound was working fine that way (through the speakers, I did not know I could get it through the TV).

When they say permanently disabled, yikes, they mean permanent.  Wonder what it was?  I go through Tex's troubleshooting thread there that you linked to.  The two config files are correct (when enabled in CC) and the symlink is pointing to pulse folder.  So this is a bust. I am hopeful I will get the message again when I install 2011 on here in a spare partition.  If I get the message I will not choose to disable and see if I get anywhere with pulseaudio.  If I do, I may have to install 2011 on my main partition unless we figure out what the heck I disabled here and can re-enable.
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2011, 06:50:40 AM »
Ah! So it is likely that you disabled the HDMI sound stream.
Presumably you are using the ATi DVI to HDMI adapter.

Have you tried KDE CC - Hardware - Multimedia and under Phonon "show advanced devices"?
You may be able to re-enable it there.

I have never permanently disabled any of my sound items so am not sure this will do it ...... but I think that is where it should be re-enabled again ......
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2011, 02:47:45 PM »
Ah! So it is likely that you disabled the HDMI sound stream.
Presumably you are using the ATi DVI to HDMI adapter.

Have you tried KDE CC - Hardware - Multimedia and under Phonon "show advanced devices"?
You may be able to re-enable it there.

I have never permanently disabled any of my sound items so am not sure this will do it ...... but I think that is where it should be re-enabled again ......


Yes, I have tired to bring up stuff in phonon and tried each of about a dozen choices and get no where :(
Wouldn't be the ATI DVI to HDMI adapter I have disabled ATI onboard but then it shouldn't have any effect on all of this - I have an nVIDIA graphics card with HDMI (via DVI) in here. But yeah, so complicated.  The onboard HDMI (ATI chip disabled BIOS) and I have a plug in card with HDMI also (the nVidia) I never thought it would work if I hadn't heard it in windows (and still don't know how to shut it off and use SPEAKERS in windows) Bizarre situation. If I disabled something, perhaps I could look in blacklist for the module?

All I can say for people in the future, NEVER permanently disable anything.  It is way more permanent than you would think  :'(
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2011, 03:19:38 PM »
It could be the adapter disabling it I guess ......   that is 'special' to ATi from what I read so anything is possible  :D

Is there any way you can test without the adapter? .....
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2011, 07:24:15 PM »
OK, it looks like I came across what I disabled when I first installed on this PC see this http://www.smqlinux.com/pclos/remove_sound_devices.png

Don't know if you will believe me but...
Was bizarre how I stumbled across this and still not sure of the circumstances but I unplugged a USB drive that is always mounted normally but I wanted to plug into laptop to get something off of it.  I plugged the USB back into my PC and couldn't get it to recognize again so I went and did a logout but instead of the login screen it dropped me to shell, I logged in there as user and then startx. On startx I got this screen when I hit the desktop and recognized it from long ago.  I chose no this time.  But unfortunately on reboot I still don't have sound out of my speakers but now realize the annoying "crackle" I get whenever I turn on my monitor (TV) with linux booted is actually coming from the tv speakers and not the dime store ones.

Thoughts?

Oh, FWIW, I did install a testing version of PCLOS on a spare partition here, did not get any messages to disable anything, don't have sound through TV speakers but have not tried installing Pulse there, if I can.  That is 64bit and haven't really looked at anything there.
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2011, 10:46:00 PM »
Nish, I am reading up on HDMI cuz I want to watch d/l'ed NFL games on my TV. The TV can play avi & mpeg4 via a USB connection but the d/ls are all mkv & converting them takes ages & loses quality. So I will buy a cable & give HDMI a try.

In reading your thread a thought came to me. You probably did it long ago. Did you play with the channels on Kmix? I once had an audio card with separate channels for headphones & speakers. Only one was shown by default & the hidden one was the one controlling sound output.


My current settings. FWIW  ;D
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2011, 03:33:51 AM »
OK, it looks like I came across what I disabled when I first installed on this PC see this http://smqlinux.com/pclos/remove_sound_devices.png


I get a 404 for that .....  it probably doesn't matter if I have read below correctly

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Don't know if you will believe me but...
Was bizarre how I stumbled across this and still not sure of the circumstances but I unplugged a USB drive that is always mounted normally but I wanted to plug into laptop to get something off of it.  I plugged the USB back into my PC and couldn't get it to recognize again so I went and did a logout but instead of the login screen it dropped me to shell, I logged in there as user and then startx. On startx I got this screen when I hit the desktop and recognized it from long ago.  I chose no this time.  But unfortunately on reboot I still don't have sound out of my speakers but now realize the annoying "crackle" I get whenever I turn on my monitor (TV) with linux booted is actually coming from the tv speakers and not the dime store ones.

Thoughts?


Turn up the volume on the TV ......  and using a variety of mixers if necessary, adjust every level you can find to see which one/s have an effect on the crackling.

The crackling *might* be an indication of an overloaded volume input ...

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Oh, FWIW, I did install a testing version of PCLOS on a spare partition here, did not get any messages to disable anything, don't have sound through TV speakers but have not tried installing Pulse there, if I can.  That is 64bit and haven't really looked at anything there.


Yes Pulse is available for the 64bit test.



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                  if the problem you have is only the wrapper around the video then it can be changed very quickly and easily ......  Avidemux is excellent for this .........  just set video and audio to copy and change the output format at the bottom.
  Of course it is a different matter if your TV cannot play the video codec type inside the wrapper. In that case it would have to be re-coded.


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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2011, 03:49:39 AM »
sorry about the flubbed hyperlink to the shot of disabled devices, fixed that
http://www.smqlinux.com/pclos/remove_sound_devices.png -
 :'(sorry I can't figure out how to insert an image or a linked image in a post.

anyhow it looks like I didn't disable them, system(?)removed and it is just asking me if I want them permanently forgot about - don't know what to make of that.  Maybe will google.

I have gone into mixer and choices are limited and have no effect.  Sound volume is already ranked and as a matter of fact not very loud - my headphones for instance, I can barely hear though in windows it is fine. There were probably a dozen choices in phonon control module and I have tried each in turn.
http://www.smqlinux.com/pclos/phonon.png
There they are, what the other said was disabled.  

I guess I will play around with it now in testing.
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2011, 04:57:37 AM »
just throwing this in the mix, if its been said already i apoligise,  quite a few nvidia cards wont do audio over HDMI without using a s/pdif cable from GPU to onboard audio/soundcard  see http://www.overclock.net/t/441176/guide-8800gt-9800gt-9800gtx-sound-over-hdmi-now-including-creative-cards  it mentions a few of the nvidia cards without audio over HDMI but there is a few more GX models ect. good luck


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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2011, 10:18:50 AM »
just throwing this in the mix, if its been said already i apoligise,  quite a few nvidia cards wont do audio over HDMI without using a s/pdif cable from GPU to onboard audio/soundcard  see http://www.overclock.net/t/441176/guide-8800gt-9800gt-9800gtx-sound-over-hdmi-now-including-creative-cards  it mentions a few of the nvidia cards without audio over HDMI but there is a few more GX models ect. good luck


I know, I never realized this one could until I had to boot in windows one day and noticed the sound was coming from the TV. I am now on a quest to get rid of the dollar store speakers.  The TV sounds better.  In windows, anyway, I was pleasantly surprised.

Progress:  I did try to get pulse going in testing install of 64bit.  There is no task-pulseaudio package and it looks like what pulses there are was already installed, also no pavucontrol  I then locked up when I tried to enable it in CC.  Figured testing is not for me and overwrote with a copy of the latest PCLOS (KDE 9-2011?)

In 9-2011 I did not get that remove/forget message on first boot after install and when I look in phonon I see only two audio devices, not the dozen I have in my current install. Installed task-pulseaudio and the control.  Enabled in CC.  Rebooted here there and everywhere.  Went into the pulse control and voila there was the HDMI.

Sound would not come out of the tv until I literally turned off internal audio. http://www.smqlinux.com/pclos/pulse-config-tab.png  and I have to say, doesn't sound as good as it does in windows but there I am likely dealing with some fine tuned proprietary drivers.

Not sure if it is worth installing 9-2011 and starting all over again when I am likely going to some time in the first half of next year have to do it for 64bit.
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2011, 11:55:22 AM »
Glad to see you finally got what was expected in pavucontrol.

Something was obviously mucked up in the previous install.


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Progress:  I did try to get pulse going in testing install of 64bit.  There is no task-pulseaudio package and it looks like what pulses there are was already installed, also no pavucontrol  I then locked up when I tried to enable it in CC.  Figured testing is not for me and overwrote with a copy of the latest PCLOS (KDE 9-2011?)

I suggest you look again as I had checked before I replied earlier that it is there ......  and I have it installed on a test install here.

Please also edit the heading of your first post to reflect the fact that a solution has been found.

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EDIT: I highlighted the incorrect part ....  sorry ......  changed now ..... I meant to refer to pavucontrol and not task-pulse.
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2011, 12:12:25 PM »
Just this morning in testing 64bit, searched for both "task" and "control" and didn't come up with anything.  I came up with about half a dozen things for pulse, libraries already installed and two plug-ins

I will probably try testing 64bit again and I will look for the pavucontrol and task-pulseaudio.

Can't see keeping the 9-2011 just for the TV sound.  Everything else is and has been working fine in my older one and the TV sound just isn't worth a migration.  Was a challenge, though  ;)
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Re: can't get HD sound on HDTV
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2011, 01:07:46 PM »
Just this morning in testing 64bit, searched for both "task" and "control" and didn't come up with anything.  I came up with about half a dozen things for pulse, libraries already installed and two plug-ins

I will probably try testing 64bit again and I will look for the pavucontrol and task-pulseaudio.

Can't see keeping the 9-2011 just for the TV sound.  Everything else is and has been working fine in my older one and the TV sound just isn't worth a migration.  Was a challenge, though  ;)

My apologies ......  I hightlighted "task-pulse" when I meant to highlight "pavucontrol" which is indeed in the repo ......  maybe you did not Reload Synaptic, or possibly your selected mirror takes a little time to sync up with the repo. Either way pavucontrol is available.
The task-pulseaudio package is also in the repo .....  just checked.

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