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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2011, 04:53:00 PM »
Ah, sorry all.  I didn't think to do a md5 checksum.  That's an option when doing mylivecd, isn't it?  I'll do that next time, as I have no doubt there will be another build. 

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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2011, 05:09:12 PM »
Ah, sorry all.  I didn't think to do a md5 checksum.  That's an option when doing mylivecd, isn't it? 

No it isn't. In the console, positionned in the directory where you made the iso (the home of root ?) type:

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md5sum BlackCat-1.iso > BlackCat-1.md5sum
the '>' sign will pipe the md5sum of your iso to the filename BlackCat-1.md5sum

then to check the iso, the command "md5sum -c BlackCat-1.md5sum' must answer "OK", provided the md5sum of the downloaded iso is good, and provided the 2 files are in the same directory as where you are located when you type the command in.

Let us know what the md5sum is in your machine, please. :)

Have you looked at the link I provided above ?


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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2011, 06:01:53 PM »
Couldn't help giving it a try. I have booted it to USB. I'm in the live. I don't like Chromium, but congrats for your configuration in it, just great ! I'll have to read more there, at the default welcome page. The personal bookmarks too... very good idea.

Criticism : you have kept the default icon set which is minimalist, but quite ugly. What about looking for new icons at box-look.org for instance ?

You have the tint2 bar which does not allow right-click menus. I suggest you edit the conf file and allow right-click menus on the tint2 panel. Same for the gtk2 theme : you could try to find one that would fit the style of your version better. I would think of one among the Equinox themes, even if it takes a little more space.

Space to gain:

# cd /
# find . -name "*.old"
./changes/etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
./changes/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
./changes/var/log/dmesg.old
./union/boot/grub/device.map.old
./union/boot/grub/install.sh.old
./union/etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
./union/etc/blkid/blkid.tab.old
./union/etc/blkid.tab.old
./union/etc/fstab.old
./union/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
./union/var/log/dmesg.old
./initrd/loopfs/boot/grub/device.map.old
./initrd/loopfs/boot/grub/install.sh.old
./initrd/loopfs/etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
./initrd/loopfs/etc/blkid/blkid.tab.old
./initrd/loopfs/etc/blkid.tab.old
./initrd/loopfs/etc/fstab.old
./initrd/loopfs/var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
./initrd/loopfs/var/log/dmesg.old

#

You can remove them all with one command line:
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# find . -name "*.old" -exec rm {} \;
(do not invoke such command before you make sure you don't need the files it will remove. This is why I do a simple "find" as the one before, then only I add the -exec command with options and arguments).

Then under /var/log you can remove all the files:
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find . -type f -exec rm {} \;
I don't remove the file prcys.log though, I put it aside and put it back after the command, otherwise the system happens to scream that it is missing, while rebooting.

There is no mc, and no bleachbit : how do you browse the fs to clean it ? I add it, now I can browse the directories (in a fast way)

Under $HOME/.config the following directories can be erased:
xfce4,  Unless you configured a trick around the screenshooting with xfce4 ? viewnior, geany. Some app confs can be probably be removed from the .gconf directory. .gimp2.6 hidden directory can be removed... under .gnome2 too.

.gphoto settings can perhaps be removed and .qt directory, and .pki

I tested the screenshot shooter, that works ! I remove what I said about the xfce4 directory. If you assure me you need all the other hidden directories I pointed to, I'll also remove what I say. :)

(I hope a few ones can be removed though... )

You could uninstall geany and all it's depends that are not needed by other programs, and install xfe, or leafpad. If you install xfe then you could also remove viewnior as xfe is a suite with several little programs.

You got images left in the .thumbnail directory. You can remove the sub directories from there. They will be recreated when needed.
Under /etc/skel there are directories/files unneeded : .gimp2-6. Under /etc/skel/.config/rc.xml (my fault, it's one I forgot in Bonsai, but you can remove it from there).

You forgot files in /etc/skel/.local/share/Trash/info. In fact in .local/share you can keep the openbox directory and remove all the other ones. They are not needed and will be recreated when the distro will be in use.

In the home of root : /root the .local/share directory does not contain a wallpaper directory. No wallpaper for root ? I suggest you put the wallpaper in /usr/share/wallpaper, so it can be accessed from the user, the root and all future users, and you will gain a few k bytes as well. (This needs reconfiguring pcmanfm).

BTW, when copying the conf of pcmanfm, to /etc/skel/.config, copy the conf of libfm too : then you are sure all changes are there.
In /root/.local/share : you can leav openbox directory and it's sub-directory session and remove all the other directories with all their files.

There is a "dead.letter" as of September 14th under /

You might be able to avoid getting one by installing procmail, if I remember well.

All the directories under /root can be visited and cleaned out with the help of mc same as for the home of guest and the /etc/skel directory. There are files which are not needed there (.pki again... )

It will not make much weight gained probably, as a whole, but I guess it might help a little. Well at least removing the .gimp-2.6 directories in use home, root and /etc/skel should contribute to lower the size. :)

I will be happy to remaster it to French once it will be ready to go. :)

*Equinox : gtk-equinox-engine for Equinox theme, and gtk-theme-equinox which contain several variants from light to dark. You might want to try each one maybe with the help of lxappearance to ease the test process.

I will try to install it to hard drive tomorrow.

Have fun !

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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2011, 05:31:35 PM »
Just a quick response.  Thanks to Neal and Mélodie about the md5sum.  I created one and it is now added to the first post of this thread.  It checked out OK for me.

Mélodie - thanks for all the homework again :D.  I'll wade through it, do the extra spring cleaning and see how it turns out.  I leave the Gimp dot files in because of the extra plugins.  I'm glad you like the Chromium set up - seemed to be a good way to get across a lot of info, and put the user in touch with other sites.  I'm not sure what do about icons - there are over 100mb in the system already!!

I deleted mc and bleachbit for the creation of the iso, then put them back in to rebuild.  Just trying to save some space, but I do still have enough to leave mc in.  It's one of those things - not knowing quite how big the iso will be until it is done!

I had a look at your link to the Astronomy pics - some great work, and a wonderful site.  Got it bookmarked!  

BlackCat in French - I hope I can do it justice.

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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2011, 06:48:52 PM »
I leave the Gimp dot files in because of the extra plugins. 

Hi Taco,

What are these extra-plugins ? aren't they packages installed for Synaptic ? Anyway you could leave it in /etc/skel if you really need to port your configs to the new users, and remove it from /root and /home/guest before remastering. If you have installed plugins with Synaptic, you probably don't need to keep any of the .gimp* directories, which will save a few extra bits. In my current install, without particular plugins it is 448K. If you x3 : ?

I didn't install BlackCat, today did other things... I'll try to do that tomorrow, to get a closer look.

Have fun ! :)

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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2011, 03:52:29 AM »
Hi Mélodie,

Took your hint about Gimp, and you're right.  Synaptic plugins are fine, and I hadn't thought about nearly half a meg in THREE different places!!  Hadn't actually though about the root side of things either, so pinged a couple of things there.  I'll leave bleachbit in, but mc wants 5mb - it's not something I normally use.  Went through your other suggestions - trimmed a bit of fat.  

How does one work out the dependencies of a piece of software when removing said software?  I've noticed that Synaptic lists "Dependencies" as normal text or italic.  Does this indicate dependencies that are shared?  Looking at your suggestion about Geany - could save some space there.

Not fussed with the icons, but was wondering if the icon load could be trimmed.  Almost 66mb in the Gnome lot and 22mb in nuoveXT-aero.

Looked at Equinox - extra 70mb of space - ouch.

Can I remove the default PCLinuxOS theme now that BlueMoon is in place?

Tint2 bar - the right click works as "close".  That is in the pref.  I don't use panels or bars, so I am not familiar with some of the finer points.

I have been adding user manuals - that's now about 34.4mb - might have to work out another way to approach that.  Maybe an external link or something.

Otherwise there doesn't seem to be anything too dramatic - just hope it installs and works in a friendly manner :D


Having fun :)

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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2011, 04:11:06 AM »
Hi Taco,

I'll leave bleachbit in, but mc wants 5mb - it's not something I normally use.  Went through your other suggestions - trimmed a bit of fat.  

You could leave the bleachbit configuration files and remove the package and it's depends. It makes quite some weight, but when the user will install Bleachbit he won't have the pain configuring it if they don't know what to tick and what not to tick, and the config of the preferences too.

mc needs cleaning too : in the .mc directories, in the home of user and in the home of root, go into the .mc, keep the cedit/ directory, the file Tree, and remove any other file you see : filepos, and history, any other if there is. No need to have .mc  in /etc/skel of course.

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How does one work out the dependencies of a piece of software when removing said software?  I've noticed that Synaptic lists "Dependencies" as normal text or italic.  Does this indicate dependencies that are shared?  Looking at your suggestion about Geany - could save some space there.

Yes, I also look at the list of dependencies, and I just try to remove them. When I select for removing if it is share it will trigger a message stating it will remove (this many packages), so I untick and try with the next in the list. After a while when used to this, you will know which ones are pulled in when you install them. geany also has quite a few which can probably be removed.

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Not fussed with the icons, but was wondering if the icon load could be trimmed.  Almost 66mb in the Gnome lot and 22mb in nuoveXT-aero.

I never trim icons coming from a package, mainly because they belong to some "base icon packages" : from hicolor icon theme, gnome-icon-theme, (added with pcmanfm, for reasons I don't understand... ), because then you may have things that work less well. A few themes for gtk too are very important to keep, for example I recently read some docs about matchbox-window-manager : it uses the theme Ia Ora Smooth.

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Looked at Equinox - extra 70mb of space - ouch.

If you install Equinox, once you have chosen the one version that you want to use, you can remove the other directories installed along with it, this is not likely to cause trouble.

When seeking info from files in your system the commands (as root or as user is ok) "rpm -qf foo-file" will return the name package with it's version, and the command "rpm -qil name_package", if the package is installed, will provide the whole info about it, including the list of files it installs. This is practical.

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Can I remove the default PCLinuxOS theme now that BlueMoon is in place?

Yes, you can.

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Tint2 bar - the right click works as "close".  That is in the pref.  I don't use panels or bars, so I am not familiar with some of the finer points.

What is is ? I don't understand "the right click works as "close". "

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I have been adding user manuals - that's now about 34.4mb - might have to work out another way to approach that.  Maybe an external link or something.

Maybe could you find just a format which would not use so much space. Have you considered using html files ?

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Otherwise there doesn't seem to be anything too dramatic - just hope it installs and works in a friendly manner :D

I haven't tried yet... soon soon. :D

Other people testing here ?


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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2011, 06:27:14 AM »
Hi Taco.22,

Downloading at present.

Jeff

Edit:  Up and running in Virtualbox.
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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2011, 06:47:42 AM »
Tint2 bar - the right click works as "close".  That is in the pref.  I don't use panels or bars, so I am not familiar with some of the finer points.

Taco.22


Taco.22,

Take a look at my article on Tint2 in the August 2011 issue of The PCLinuxOS Magazine. I think you may find it helpful for setting up Tint2 to operate a bit "friendlier."

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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2011, 08:14:36 PM »
Hi parnote,

Had a look at your tips on tint2.  Nice work on the magazine, by the way.  Always look out for it.  Anyway, after fiddling around with various things I've put the panel into the dock at the bottom of the screen and made it autohide.   That way apps can run full screen but the panel can still pop up.  The dock has been set to 100ms, so it's virtually instant.  Autohide is turned on/off in obconf.  It indulges my preference for no panel at all :D.  I actually find them quite painful and don't run them at all.  That's the thing I like about Openbox - right click and keybindings.  Throw in pytyle and it is joy, but that's another topic ;).

EDIT - extra query to all - where are the prefs for the Volume Icon 0.4.1 saved so that I can carry them over to /skel?
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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #25 on: September 18, 2011, 09:20:21 PM »
EDIT - extra query to all - where are the prefs for the Volume Icon 0.4.1 saved so that I can carry them over to /skel?

~/.config/volumeicon/volumeicon

Bare metal                           VBox
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4GiB RAM                              1GiB RAM
nVidia GeForce FX 5200          64MB video
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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #26 on: September 18, 2011, 09:33:23 PM »
EDIT - extra query to all - where are the prefs for the Volume Icon 0.4.1 saved so that I can carry them over to /skel?

~/.config/volumeicon/volumeicon


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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2011, 10:23:12 PM »
Some wallpapers for you, Taco.22.     
http://nbrks.com/blackcat/     

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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2011, 02:28:21 AM »
Some wallpapers for you, Taco.22.    
http://nbrks.com/blackcat/    


Hi,

They could be used to put up a "Blackcat theme" ? GDM, gfxboot... ;)
Great work Neal !

Taco : the tint2 panel is very handy when you configure it to allow right-click menu on it : if you have an app opened, want to start another one, and don't remember your keybinding, you will be able to right-click directly from the same window without changing desktop.

To do that, in the tint2rc file, section #Panel:
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wm_menu = 1
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Re: BlackCat Astronomy Edition now available
« Reply #29 on: September 19, 2011, 03:31:12 AM »
Some wallpapers for you, Taco.22.    
http://nbrks.com/blackcat/    


Hi,

They could be used to put up a "Blackcat theme" ? GDM, gfxboot... ;)
Great work Neal !


Thank you. Yes, they could be used to create themes. It really isn't hard to create those.