Aggressive Postings don't solve problems

[j-retired]

I sometimes think trying to teach some people about linux (pclos, of course), has the same feel about it as Bob Newhart's famous "Driving instructor". If you don't know what I mean, then find a copy and listen to it!
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[longtom]

Lately it appears that even some old forum hands believe aggressive postings do solve problems - or at least make them go away -together with the user.

I reckon we could all do with a deep breath and a count to 10 in order to get back into the PCLinuxOS groove before we post.

[AS]

Lately it appears that even some old forum hands believe aggressive postings do solve problems - or at least make them go away -together with the user.

I reckon we could all do with a deep breath and a count to 10 in order to get back into the PCLinuxOS groove before we post.

Do you refer so to some of my posts ?

BTW, I'm a young forum member, ... at least I feel young! 

OK, I understand it is unlikely I will have an answer ... IMO some post are only a little more crude, because when you speak (or write) to a friend, you can avoid to use diplomacy ... hiding problems help no one either. 

AS

[longtom]

Lately it appears that even some old forum hands believe aggressive postings do solve problems - or at least make them go away -together with the user.

I reckon we could all do with a deep breath and a count to 10 in order to get back into the PCLinuxOS groove before we post.

Do you refer so to some of my posts ?

BTW, I'm a young forum member, ... at least I feel young! 

OK, I understand it is unlikely I will have an answer ... IMO some post are only a little more crude, because when you speak (or write) to a friend, you can avoid to use diplomacy ... hiding problems help no one either. 

AS

Nope - not referring to you at all.   

I thought wa are all friends ... so no need to be offended by anything and retort with aggressions - which doesn't solve anything - and with this I clumsely found my way back to the topic ...   

[Neal ManBear]

He means me, AS. Because I took exception to being called a liar.     

[longtom]

He means me, AS. Because I took exception to being called a liar.     

Yes - I mean you, I mean me, I mean actually that everybody can make that effort.

I am uncomfortable for some time about this issue but wasn't quite sure how to say it without offending anybody.  Obviously this is not possible and you are offended already.  That's a shame.

The trigger to eventually come out with this was indeed what I would call a wrong and sensitive interpretation of a forum post by you.  What this reaction was sparked by I do not know but I have read that you guys appear to be overworked and not getting enough sleep while keeping all of us happy with a splendid distro.  That would indeed be a reason I do understand.

I know I am on thin ice with warm shoes but I am writing this because I care.  Otherwise I just could not come here any more like some before me - but I have to many friends here I would miss.

But if you think this would be a better place without me saying what I say just delete everything I wrote in that regard and forget about it.  I will not bring it up again.

[joechimp]

I don't know who said it but I also take exception to anyone calling my friend Neal a liar. 

[longtom]

I don't know who said it but I also take exception to anyone calling my friend Neal a liar. 

Nobody did.

http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,104002.0.html

Not according to me anyway.

[Crow]

longtom I've been here since 2007 and that kind of things happens from time to time, sometimes is one of the regulars sometimes is another, I had a burst also sometime ago.

In the end is all about perception, to publicly take sides makes the thing bigger, a PM may be more appropiate. BTW I want to thank those who send me PM's when that was needed

Friends aren't afraid to talk straight and reclame when they think that is needed as long as they has a basic agreement: friendship is above all the other things, we may disagree in many things but not in the friendship.

Let's not "vote" with our posts about who was right or not, let them solve the problem between them, maybe through PM's and if we want to participate in the discussion we can keep it private as well.

[Just17]

longtom I've been here since 2007 and that kind of things happens from time to time, sometimes is one of the regulars sometimes is another, I had a burst also sometime ago.

In the end is all about perception, to publicly take sides makes the thing bigger, a PM may be more appropiate. BTW I want to thank those who send me PM's when that was needed

Friends aren't afraid to talk straight and reclame when they think that is needed as long as they has a basic agreement: friendship is above all the other things, we may disagree in many things but not in the friendship.

Let's not "vote" with our posts about who was right or not, let them solve the problem between them, maybe through PM's and if we want to participate in the discussion we can keep it private as well.

+1

[longtom]

longtom I've been here since 2007 and that kind of things happens from time to time, sometimes is one of the regulars sometimes is another, I had a burst also sometime ago.

In the end is all about perception, to publicly take sides makes the thing bigger, a PM may be more appropiate. BTW I want to thank those who send me PM's when that was needed

Friends aren't afraid to talk straight and reclame when they think that is needed as long as they has a basic agreement: friendship is above all the other things, we may disagree in many things but not in the friendship.

Let's not "vote" with our posts about who was right or not, let them solve the problem between them, maybe through PM's and if we want to participate in the discussion we can keep it private as well.

Well spoken, Crow.  I did get pms in that regards as well and all were valuable.  I also agree that this shouldn't be voting - I actually mentioned something similar in one of my pms.

As far as I am concerned I just wanted to create an instant where we can just pause and think.  It is indeed also not about one user or one post but a trend I believed to pick up lately. 

I also want to reiterate that I am certainly not occupying any moral high ground - I am as good in writing potentially offending posts than anybody here - and have done so .  Luckily most friends did the right thing and didn't take it serious.  This is what I appreciate in this place - and this is what I don't want to loose. 

Not sure I get my point made ... maybe my language abilities are deserting me, but I hope you get the drift.

[djohnston]

+1 to everything Crow said. We're all human, and we're not always on our best behavior.

Not sure I get my point made ... maybe my language abilities are deserting me, but I hope you get the drift.

Your language abilities have not deserted you. I understood where you were coming from in your initial post. Only because I had seen the post in question. And, I was concerned enough to send a PM.

[OMSkates]

I don't know who said it but I also take exception to anyone calling my friend Neal a liar. 

Nobody did.

http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,104002.0.html

Not according to me anyway.

I didn't think so either longtom but that's just my perception.  The point is that Neal was being honest about how he felt about the response he was given  (obviously "it" was working fine for him).  Honestly expressing anger in a civil manner is quite possible and should be allowable.  Even when emotions are high on this forum things are still quite civil compared to many other forums and that's why I stick around.  I would have no worries if my 9 year old read Neal's response, right or wrong, there is no inappropriate content in the post.

[Neal ManBear]

..... you are offended already.

     
At you? No. Not at all. I'm sorry you were offended by me.     

If you thought my responses to be mean-spirited, you do not understand me. I simply responded to what was said to me. I did not intend any offense. I suppose in future I should just ignore insults aimed at me.     

[jimwilk]

It is interesting for me, as the originator of this thread, to see how it has developed. When I wrote the initial post, I guess I was writing about new comers who, when they find difficulty, start mouthing off blaming everyone and/or the distro  but never themselves. Some of them make one post and then disappear again. It is obvious that they don't read the forum or use a search facility. They aren't missed around here.

I know that I have never called anyone here a liar and definitely not Neal. You have been very helpful to me.

Jim