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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2011, 02:45:43 AM »
And so they come out of the woodwork.  I knew it!  Sproggy is a supertroll .   :o :o  Take that!

I was made aware of a thread opened up in the Mint forum, announcing the new PCLinuxOS 2011 release.  That attracted one or two of those trolls - especially one comes to mind, claiming having been here for ever posting many posts and always treated badly.  I managed to find the chap still in our members list with a proud count of 27 posts - and I failed to find any "bad" treatment to one of them.

His main gripe was that Texstar didn't want to include some U_buntu font rendering in PCLinuxOS.  

So I encouraged him to put his keyboard where his mouth is and resign from here.  He hasn't ...  yet.

You'll get those - but to be honest, they are the minority.

Most are just looking for instant gratification, expecting everything works like it does in Windows and panicking when it doesn't.  That is especially the case when, in a fit of over enthusiasm, they have deleted their old OS and can't get going with the new one .... PANIC  :o :o

But those can be dealt with and as a teacher, Jim, I am sure you get those situations daily.  I get them just being a father.  Over aggressiveness from our side will not do any good.  If you want to change that kind of attitude in others it won't be by preaching but by doing.  Show them in your answers and reaction how it can be done - and most will learn swiftly.  That is the challenge the more established members as well as admins and mods have - so lets face up to it.  It is actually fun.  What is more satisfying than successfully helping somebody?  Just about nothing ...

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2011, 02:52:37 AM »
And so they come out of the woodwork.  I knew it!  Sproggy is a supertroll .   :o :o  Take that!

I was made aware of a thread opened up in the Mint forum, announcing the new PCLinuxOS 2011 release.  That attracted one or two of those trolls - especially one comes to mind, claiming having been here for ever posting many posts and always treated badly.  I managed to find the chap still in our members list with a proud count of 27 posts - and I failed to find any "bad" treatment to one of them.

His main gripe was that Texstar didn't want to include some U_buntu font rendering in PCLinuxOS.  

So I encouraged him to put his keyboard where his mouth is and resign from here.  He hasn't ...  yet.

You'll get those - but to be honest, they are the minority.

Most are just looking for instant gratification, expecting everything works like it does in Windows and panicking when it doesn't.  That is especially the case when, in a fit of over enthusiasm, they have deleted their old OS and can't get going with the new one .... PANIC  :o :o

But those can be dealt with and as a teacher, Jim, I am sure you get those situations daily.  I get them just being a father.  Over aggressiveness from our side will not do any good.  If you want to change that kind of attitude in others it won't be by preaching but by doing.  Show them in your answers and reaction how it can be done - and most will learn swiftly.  That is the challenge the more established members as well as admins and mods have - so lets face up to it.  It is actually fun.  What is more satisfying than successfully helping somebody?  Just about nothing ...

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2011, 03:37:23 AM »
we are all trolls lol

but seriously ... some people are very passionate too ... i for one am a person who is highly passionate about what i do ... theres nothing worse than not meeting your own high standards ... i can actually say that from Phinx Beta to Phinx Final i have created and thrown away at least 5 complete theme sets for the XFCE DE ... simply because i am my own troll ...
So what you're saying is, you have aggressive conversations with yourself?! Hmmmmm..... ;)

Not really that unusual, you know. ;) :D :D   
You mean - for Sproggy isn't it?

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2011, 03:42:14 AM »
What is more satisfying than successfully helping somebody?  Just about nothing ...

Well, Sproggy and omskates beat me to it. That was beautifully said, longtom. And it encapsulates why any one here on the forum would want to go out of their way to help a perfect stranger solve a problem. Even a frustratingly difficult problem. It isn't for fame or recognition or financial reward. It's the deed itself that provides its own reward. Why else would we do it?

@jimwilk,

I've seen the agressive attitude in posts you speak of. I don't have the responsibility of being a moderator, especially a low-down, mean and nasty one like old-polack!  ;)  :D But, I have taken such posts as a personal affront before, because we all help make this community what it is. And this is the best one I have ever seen or been a part of.

I just wanted to touch on a point OP brought up. Often, when I see a poster asking for help, and the poster has only one post, I wonder whether we are being egged on. I wonder if it's someone who has "invented" a problem in order to waste forum members' time. It's hard to judge the sincerity of the poster, because so many of them just don't include anything specific in their post. It seems as though the first half of some threads are spent just trying to squeeze information out of the person seeking help.

For me, the most frustrating part is deciding whether the request for help is real or contrived. I don't have enough knowledge and experience (and probably never will) to be able to help in all sections of the forum. So, I sure don't want to waste my time on someone who is just pulling our collective chain.

Okay, I've said it. My illustrious two cents' worth.
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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2011, 03:47:08 AM »
we are all trolls lol

but seriously ... some people are very passionate too ... i for one am a person who is highly passionate about what i do ... theres nothing worse than not meeting your own high standards ... i can actually say that from Phinx Beta to Phinx Final i have created and thrown away at least 5 complete theme sets for the XFCE DE ... simply because i am my own troll ...
So what you're saying is, you have aggressive conversations with yourself?! Hmmmmm..... ;)

Not really that unusual, you know. ;) :D :D   
You mean - for Sproggy isn't it?

 :P

And others. ;) ;) ;D 

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2011, 03:48:42 AM »
What is more satisfying than successfully helping somebody?  Just about nothing ...

Well, Sproggy and omskates beat me to it. That was beautifully said, longtom. And it encapsulates why any one here on the forum would want to go out of their way to help a perfect stranger solve a problem. Even a frustratingly difficult problem. It isn't for fame or recognition or financial reward. It's the deed itself that provides its own reward. Why else would we do it?

@jimwilk,

I've seen the agressive attitude in posts you speak of. I don't have the responsibility of being a moderator, especially a low-down, mean and nasty one like old-polack!  ;)  :D But, I have taken such posts as a personal affront before, because we all help make this community what it is. And this is the best one I have ever seen or been a part of.

I just wanted to touch on a point OP brought up. Often, when I see a poster asking for help, and the poster has only one post, I wonder whether we are being egged on. I wonder if it's someone who has "invented" a problem in order to waste forum members' time. It's hard to judge the sincerity of the poster, because so many of them just don't include anything specific in their post. It seems as though the first half of some threads are spent just trying to squeeze information out of the person seeking help.

For me, the most frustrating part is deciding whether the request for help is real or contrived. I don't have enough knowledge and experience (and probably never will) to be able to help in all sections of the forum. So, I sure don't want to waste my time on someone who is just pulling our collective chain.

Okay, I've said it. My illustrious two cents' worth.

2 cents?!? Sheesh! That's worth at least a nickel! :D :D :D 

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2011, 03:55:29 AM »
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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2011, 04:09:02 AM »
Quote
And others.  ;)  ;)  ;D

+1

The posting method for some new users is brought over from other forums they visit thus they post in the same vein which is a darned shame.........

But a great many learn fairly quickly that when other members ask them for more details it's only so the best help possible can be offered to them.

And personally I've never known a forum that welcomes new users as this one does, and I think that helps put some new members "at ease" especially if Linux/PCLinuxOS is extremely new to them.

I think a lot of credit should go to the mods for keeping the forum focused on what it does best - helping and having a few laughs.
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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2011, 04:12:38 AM »
I see a dollar from the white cat ... going once, going twice ...

I'll see your dollar and raise you two cents!  ;D
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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2011, 04:56:07 AM »
Ahhhh dollarandtwocentsfromdarreljohnstonforlongtom'swordsofwisdomandsurelyworthmuch,muchmore ... do I hear a dollar fifty? A dollar fifty?  ;D
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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2011, 05:17:39 AM »
Ahhhh dollarandtwocentsfromdarreljohnstonforlongtom'swordsofwisdomandsurelyworthmuch,muchmore ... do I hear a dollar fifty? A dollar fifty?  ;D
A dollar fifty here!  As far as help posts go there are very few 'zero response' topics floating around here.  Many forums have an abundance of zero response threads in their help sections and will even launch campaigns to reduce them.  Here you will get responses, even if its OP blasting you with colors about your very non-informative rant, you did get a response and are then taught how to properly post to get good help.  Maybe we do get tested now and then by some trolls as dj said, but we handle it nevertheless.

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2011, 05:46:02 AM »
we are all trolls lol

but seriously ... some people are very passionate too ... i for one am a person who is highly passionate about what i do ... theres nothing worse than not meeting your own high standards ... i can actually say that from Phinx Beta to Phinx Final i have created and thrown away at least 5 complete theme sets for the XFCE DE ... simply because i am my own troll ...
So what you're saying is, you have aggressive conversations with yourself?! Hmmmmm..... ;)

lol i aint the only 1 with a sharp tongue  ::) ::) ::) ::):P :P :P :P :P

Not really that unusual, you know. ;) :D :D   
You mean - for Sproggy isn't it?

 :P

And others. ;) ;) ;D 

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2011, 05:50:41 AM »
we are all trolls lol

but seriously ... some people are very passionate too ... i for one am a person who is highly passionate about what i do ... theres nothing worse than not meeting your own high standards ... i can actually say that from Phinx Beta to Phinx Final i have created and thrown away at least 5 complete theme sets for the XFCE DE ... simply because i am my own troll ...
So what you're saying is, you have aggressive conversations with yourself?! Hmmmmm..... ;)

lol i aint the only 1 with a sharp tongue  ::) ::) ::) ::):P :P :P :P :P

Not really that unusual, you know. ;) :D :D   
You mean - for Sproggy isn't it?

 :P

And others. ;) ;) ;D 
Had you intended to respond Sproggy, or still talking to yourself :P?

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2011, 05:58:21 AM »
i had restraint lol :P :P :P :P

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Re: Aggressive Postings don't solve problems
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2011, 05:59:03 AM »