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Offline utu

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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2011, 10:28:40 AM »
@ nightcap

Hi, again.

I'm a Knoppix 6.4.4 LiveUSB fan, myself.
Have been tweaking it since February, and now cooling my heels
waiting for 6.5 to come out.

PCLinuxOS the only other distro that likes my wifi and Texstar's
wifi setup sure beats NetworkManager, I must say.

PCLinuxOS's downside from my perspective is that LibreOffice is
not in the compressed OS section, like Knoppix, and the non-
compressed option is extremely inefficient for small USB's
adaptation, which is my chosen niche.  Home crowd here not
sympathetic;  big partitions and re-mastering is a way of life here.

I am most interested to see if there is any portability of
PCLinuxOS's network and remastering approaches that can be
adapted to Knoppix, or some way to merge the 'best' features
of each into my own private and small LiveUSB. 

I have tried editing xorg.conf as root with no success.  Is it
possible my edits are unworkable and are being rejected? Can
you post your xorg.conf before & after? Or, just tell me what
you changed to get it to keep the 1366x768 resolution? Thanks.

Hope to hear more from you.


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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2011, 11:43:34 AM »
Utu,

you quite obviously decided to ignore numerous detailed tips how to get a compressed version of Libre office into your USB install.  Pinoc went as far as spelling it out three times.  Still you are spreading rumours of LO not working on a USB install.  The reason is ... again ... that LO is not originally installed on PCLinuxOS.  Install it, remaster it and put it on your stick.  My word - how difficult can it be?

You either, for reasons inexplicable to me, can not understand this or you are trying to get somebody worked up ....  ???  Such a person is generally known as a troll.  Can't imagine you would be one of those - so what gives?   :-\
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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2011, 12:11:52 PM »
Did someone say BACON MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Thanks Texstar , Neal and the whole bacon crew you do a great Job.
Neal I really like LXDE  and BACON  :)
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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2011, 02:36:34 PM »
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quote from nitecap:
Integrated on the Core i3-370 CPU chip - Intel Graphics Media Accelerator HD (GMA HD) clocked to 667 MHz. Intel Mobile HM57 Express Chipset. 4Gb DDR3 RAM. 500GB 7200rpm HDD. Yada yada yada..........

neal:
Is that the Intel 945 video chipset? Other?


.....As with some things INTEL, their video info is confusing, {if one has'nt kept up over the years...} things seem not being understood here from either parties- IMO....{and I'm no INTEL expert...}

The INTEL HM57 chipset HAS a video "chip" built-in -vaguely titled: "Intel HD Graphics Dynamic Video Memory Technology 5.0 "  

It could either have the HD2000, or HD3000 VIDEO circutry....and its up to NITECAP to specify his NAME BRAND notebook model exactly, for anybody to find out ... due to INTEL linguistics, and complexity.  

Here is an example {for naming} of a specific notebook unit :

HP ProBook 4520s XT944UT 15.6" Notebook, Intel Core i3-370M (2.40GHz), 2GB DDR3 Memory, 320GB (7200rpm) HDD, DVD Super Multi-Drive with Lightscribe, Intel GMA HD, Windows 7 Professional 32-Bit

My understanding of his posting is that it is a mobil device, and thus i am SUPPOSING it is the: HD3000 graphics chip....but I'm not KRESKIN either. ::)  SOOOO, Another facet to this quiz, is Nitecaps mention of a 667 clock speed....which means it could also be just basic : intel HD GRAPHICS (GMA HD)...? ???

So maybe the best idea is for NITECAP to open a terminal and post the info from typing : "lspci" {without the quote marks}....and show us what PCLOS is detecting ...

...problem being that INTEL just released the 'sandybridge' LINUX driver in May of this year - and just maybe Nitecap {and others} need that...

---I dunno if the BACON included it in this newest 2011.06 release... and i also dunno if all the bugs are worked out.... ???

I hope this helps. ;)

JN.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2011, 03:12:46 PM by JNibski »
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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2011, 04:49:03 PM »
Try this for getting info on any hardware:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,93773.0.html

Intel video will be listed with the needed information.

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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2011, 05:15:53 PM »
{ *..Systemifo is not loaded by default, but is available for download - via Synaptic package mgr...}

I like systeminfo!, and the XFCE "Phoenix edition" {a while back} had it by default... 2011.06 LXDE does not, but Neal's PCC method should suffice.

JN
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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2011, 07:29:13 PM »
Thanks, Archie. :) Long posts. :-\ Not my forte. :P


Go and put on another pot of coffee ;D ;D
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Offline Neal ManBear

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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2011, 07:31:24 PM »
Thanks, Archie. :) Long posts. :-\ Not my forte. :P

Go and put on another pot of coffee ;D ;D

Yea. I need it. LOL

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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2011, 01:03:12 AM »
 :D  Progress! Pretty much all sorted now.

Enabled only single (Japanese-) mirrored main repo. Synaptic now fast and flawless.

LO now installed, having downloaded latest LOman 3.4.1. Downloaded LO files/packages again. Took several system re-boots after install, and surprise, surprise, LO menu items auto-magically appeared, out of the blue.

Battery indicator slotted in and clock adjusted. All good. Thanks.

Intel graphics is the un-named, unspecified integrated-video-on-CPU-die I stated previously. lspci output confirms this. Not Sandy Bridge which is a (flawed) generation after, or 945 from well before. As I specified: Intel Core i3-370, HM57 chipset, HP ProBook 6450b.

Having fine-tuned this install, explored this LXDE spin further, there are many intelligent features and functions, all well laid out. IMHO this spin is worthy of kick-ass recommendation.  9/10

Keep up the great work!    8)
« Last Edit: July 06, 2011, 01:35:17 AM by nightcap »
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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2011, 09:42:28 AM »
..Thank you Nitecap, for stating your laptop model number.  For me it seemed like pulling teeth, but this finally shows the developers here what will work and what will not.

As you {and others here} can see from this HP spec website, there were different video chipsets USED in that unit.

You seem to have the "plain jane" version of the intel gma hd graphics...and you seem to be aware of the idiosyncracies of the various intel versions thereof.

You also realize that your unit was designed specifically for Windows 7, and is outstanding to know it "works" with PCLOS.

Thanks for the info , and please post any more pertinent info re the operation of any more units with pclos LXDE 2011.06.

I have noticed with some machines, upon shutdown - the shutdown menu "window" backround comes up missing (black) and am still doing further limited testing....

Your input here is appreciated.

JN
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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2011, 02:14:32 PM »
@JN

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For me it seemed like pulling teeth

 ;)  You're welcome. "Grin 'n bear", as they say. If there was a dedicated, separate video chip and VRAM I'd clearly state that.

Actually you may be unaware that HP employ a manager and (small) support team purely to ensure HP products are suitable for use with Linux wherever feasible.

Did you carefully read the specsheet over in your HP ProBook link? That model (and most others) are officially certified for use with SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11. HP PCs can be ordered with "FreeDOS". That is, no OS at all. Load your own.

IMHO M$ and its "hardware partners" are undermining Windoze due to grossly excessive bloatware on new PCs. Recently I've encountered this on such a ridiculous scale (HP and Toshiba are worst offenders), that little old ladies (computing novices) have commented on it in a derogatory manner. That's when you know bloatware is bad. And that Linux is on its way.

BTW the average age of, say, the last dozen PC users that I've weaned off Windoze onto Linux would be around 65 years. Once familiar with Linux, they thrive. It's the way computing could, and should, be.    8)
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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2011, 05:25:33 PM »
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Did you carefully read the specsheet over in your HP ProBook link.........certified for use with SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 11.

..Yes, I do/did... but that is a different distro....Now if the statement read : "certified to work fully with ANY linux distro" - this would be more interesting.

If they just went to distrowatch, or a similar statistical site - they would see SUSE in 5th place {of popularity} in the last 12 months... {maybe they gave HP $$...?}

You are correct about the BLOAT scenario...and it is with most all the major mfgs....if all the I-poddy stuff did'nt take place - DESKTOP computing would be more prevelent...but it seems the age of desktops is starting to sunset. :'(

The majority of my clients are seniors also, and have been using PCLOS LXDE on the computers I custom built for them...it just works - but I am concerned about this new KERNEL 2.6.38.8 : I have noticed some changes with older equipment, but still testing. :-\

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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2011, 08:00:35 PM »
Years ago Mandrake and Suse were the best established European distros. Europe is where Linux first really made inroads (think IBM net servers, huge legal damages against M$). Suse was always into server and desktop development. HP would've sought a solid corporate Linux option, and Novell absorbed Suse. Allied Silicon Valley business interests. Scratch our backs and we'll scratch yours.

Hardware recognition and drivers has always been a core challenge of open source. What is most daunting these days is the accelerated speed of change in bus architecture and obsolescence of CPUs/graphics/connecting peripheral protocols/telecomms/wireless etc, the range of computing devices, and the vast (and still growing) scale of manufacturing and merchandising. As an example, the Chinese Foxconn plant (the one where workers assembling Mac's are paid $5 for a 12 hour shift, where several suicides have occurred) employs no less than 400,000 workers at that site alone!   :o

Recycling older computers, passing 'em on to the needy, keeping 'em from ending up in landfill etc. All that achieved largely due to lean, fast, stable, well-sorted Linux distros. And PClinuxOS LXDE rates up there with the best.

Desktops will survive. Heck, we need custom hardware, don't we? Video/music recording/editing, graphic design, hardcore gaming, net servers, CAD, architecture, engineering, aeronautics, etc. Embedded Linux devices are proliferating in many consumer-driven markets. Android is now a benchmark mobile OS. Linux everywhere. Love it.   :)

« Last Edit: July 06, 2011, 08:02:59 PM by nightcap »
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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2011, 02:21:32 PM »


.....for now, anyway.

Your post is somewhat factual.......
BUT here is whats really happening to OLD computers...
 

I hope LXDE will continue to work {out of the box} - on all my custom builds... ;)

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Re: Full version 2011.06 LXDE Comments & Help Appreciated
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2011, 06:15:07 PM »
 :D   I see. "Recycling" can also mean smelting, leaching and stripping. My "recycling" is always attempting to assemble and re-assemble older bits to make up working Linux PCs. Or locating older laptops, gathering dust because 98/XP/Vista/trojan/malware/bloatware/HDD-overload have left them constipated.

I'm certain PClinuxOS (all versions) will do fine on latter-day custom PCs. I'm tryin' to think back to any well-known Linux distro that spat the dummy loading onto a newly-assembled PC. (I've loaded a fair few!)

One key area for me is wireless comms and media streaming. There is so much misinformation/mythology even from so-called "experts", and end-users assume wireless should perform flawlessly 24/7. That market is in a constant state of flux - new products, crap products, established brands that become crap, immature firmware, incompatibility issues etc. Occasionally one has a pleasant surprise. Mostly one gets it to work like it should.

Wireless/networking management is an aspect of PClinuxOS LXDE that is really first-rate.    :)
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