Death of Sudoers ?

[Neal ManBear]

I don't need sudo. I can su.

I don't understand the logics behind sudo.

It makes sense if you have several users and  (you) want to give some of them limited administrative rights, but not root's password. In most cases it's just a way of decreasing your security.

Where's the program then?

Being admin I could manually do anything for restricting users. Is sudo a tool(program that helps the admin) by this point of view? Mind that you have to generate the sudoers file. Where's the tool then?

Did you read through this thread?

[Bald Brick]

I don't need sudo. I can su.

I don't understand the logics behind sudo.

It makes sense if you have several users and  (you) want to give some of them limited administrative rights, but not root's password. In most cases it's just a way of decreasing your security.

Where's the program then?

Being admin I could manually do anything for restricting users. Is sudo a tool(program that helps the admin) by this point of view? Mind that you have to generate the sudoers file. Where's the tool then?

I don't really understand the question. Using sudo is a way of increasing a user's rights. But if he or she absolutely needs some administrative rights and the alternative is giving him full administrative rights, then sudo can indeed be a way of restricting those rights. But it shouldn't be a substitute for su.

[YouCanToo]

IIRC ........  the sudo package has been moved to the 'special' section of the repository, so some effort is needed to find and install it.
It does not therefore show, by default, as available in Synaptic.

The whole point is that the the OP has not had his choice taken away as he originally posted.
"I had always thought Linux was about choice, because of the abuse or stupidity of some, the "choice" has been taken away for all?"

He still has the choice to install and use it if he wishes. He also has the choice to bitch about it, which he did.  Just because Linux gives one freedom of choice, does not necessarily mean it will be ease.

I hope his flame retardant shorts kept his behind from getting singed to bad.

Lets look at this from the perspective of someone seeking to install sudo on their PCLOS machine.
They check Synaptic and it does not show.
They change repository and still it does not show.
It is in effect - for them - not available.

Without inquiring they are or would be just jumping to conclusions, which in this case was totally wrong IE: his choice had been taken away

Now if they had the knowledge to enable another section in the repository of their choice it would no doubt show as available for installation.

So instead of gaining this knowledge, by inquiring if it was removed or not, he assumed that his choice was somehow restricted. and just complained about it.

So although the choice has not been taken from anyone, it can seem that way, as it has been made difficult to find.

regards.

Perhaps it is the way he made his post. Just because it may or may not be easy to find does not mean that his choice had be trampled on. Perhaps he should of just asked if he did not have the knowledge where SUDO is or how to install it.   But he didn't, he just jumped and started spouting off how the choice had been removed.

[YouCanToo]

IIRC ........  the sudo package has been moved to the 'special' section of the repository, so some effort is needed to find and install it.
It does not therefore show, by default, as available in Synaptic.

No "special" effort required here, just  a simple Synaptic>Search, and then I see exactly what's shown in YouCanToo's image...  

Maybe I'm just special!

If sudo has not been installed previously and you now want to install it, you will have to add the "special" to the Section line in your sources.list in synaptic before you can see it to install it.

[ElCuervo]

IIRC ........  the sudo package has been moved to the 'special' section of the repository, so some effort is needed to find and install it.
It does not therefore show, by default, as available in Synaptic.

No "special" effort required here, just  a simple Synaptic>Search, and then I see exactly what's shown in YouCanToo's image... 

Maybe I'm just special!

If sudo has not been installed previously and you now want to install it, you will have to add the "SPECIAL" to the Section line in your sources.list in synaptic before you can see it to install it.

Gawd, I never wanted it in the first place! This thread helped me delete it for good!

[exploder]

I always thought sudo was an un-necessary security risk. 

[Wildman]

One thing for sure, it makes for a good debate starter! 

[Just17]

IIRC ........  the sudo package has been moved to the 'special' section of the repository, so some effort is needed to find and install it.
It does not therefore show, by default, as available in Synaptic.

The whole point is that the the OP has not had his choice taken away as he originally posted.
"I had always thought Linux was about choice, because of the abuse or stupidity of some, the "choice" has been taken away for all?"

He still has the choice to install and use it if he wishes. He also has the choice to bitch about it, which he did.  Just because Linux gives one freedom of choice, does not necessarily mean it will be ease.

I hope his flame retardant shorts kept his behind from getting singed to bad.

Lets look at this from the perspective of someone seeking to install sudo on their PCLOS machine.
They check Synaptic and it does not show.
They change repository and still it does not show.
It is in effect - for them - not available.

Without inquiring they are or would be just jumping to conclusions, which in this case was totally wrong IE: his choice had been taken away

Now if they had the knowledge to enable another section in the repository of their choice it would no doubt show as available for installation.

So instead of gaining this knowledge, by inquiring if it was removed or not, he assumed that his choice was somehow restricted. and just complained about it.

So although the choice has not been taken from anyone, it can seem that way, as it has been made difficult to find.

regards.

Perhaps it is the way he made his post. Just because it may or may not be easy to find does not mean that his choice had be trampled on. Perhaps he should of just asked if he did not have the knowledge where SUDO is or how to install it.   But he didn't, he just jumped and started spouting off how the choice had been removed.

Just one point so we are clear about what posts/posters are being referred to .....  it was not the OP who made a post such as you describe, I believe.
I'm not making any argument around this .....  just posting it for clarity in the discussion.  

[Neal ManBear]

I know that PCLOS greatly discourages the use of sudoers, but I noticed it has been left out of /etc. Is this a permanent removal or just an insignificant item for the present. Just curious

Duvid,
sudo is available in the repos. Just add 'special' to the sections for your chosen repo in Synaptic, press reload to get a current file list and install it.

It isn't the use of sudo that we object to, it is the insecure use of sudo that we object to.

[Neal ManBear]

I had always thought Linux was about choice, because of the abuse or stupidity of some, the "choice" has been taken away for all?
Well at least there are other "choices" people can make.

Moving sudo to another section of the repos is neither abusive nor stupid. Making such statements about the developers of an OS that you got for free is very bad manners at the very least. Making such a statement at all shows a lack of comprehension of how things work.

Choice has not been taken away. See my post just previous to this one. No one has taken anything away from you. You've always had the right to choose.

A threat to leave? If that is what you choose, then it is your choice. Make whatever choice you want but don't waste time making such a threat. It is totally without merit or power.

Before making statements such as you have here, it is better to ask questions and wait for answers. There was absolutely no need for you to show such a level of disrespect.

[Archie]

How is it that some users can go to such conclusions when they haven't even asked, and asked in a humbled attitude?

Anyway, rm -rf is also a very useful tool but an admin, without a firm grasp of the command is just TROUBLE.

To end this debate that's not going to go anywhere (now that the OP had been directed how sudo can be installed), let's just say it was removed because there's no more space on the ISO for it.

And as if that would be convincing.

[Duvid]

To All,
I have been following this thread and apologize for creating bad vibes. I was asking only out of curiosity, apparently hit some nerves, might even caught someone in a bad mood. Regardless, the forum has always been helpful to me over the years . It has always intrigued me how people from diverse walks of life come together on this forum to help each other with the workings of an operating system. Thank you.

 PS  Can anyone help me figure out why I can't get sound in any browser please ( I have a posting)

[ericthered]

To All,
I have been following this thread and apologize for creating bad vibes. I was asking only out of curiosity, apparently hit some nerves, might even caught someone in a bad mood. Regardless, the forum has always been helpful to me over the years . It has always intrigued me how people from diverse walks of life come together on this forum to help each other with the workings of an operating system. Thank you.

It's not your fault, sudo always starts debates for some reason.  I think a lot of new users are used to winblows or the brown frown and want to be able to do what they please all the time, whereas more experienced Linux users prefer the security of su.  That's just my opinion.

Bottom line is, there has been no "death" of sudo.  Anyone is free to install it from the repo's and use it as they please.  The issue is sudo being readily available to new users who don't understand how easy it can be to bork your system.  PCLOS does not ship with sudo installed for this reason.

[Bald Brick]

To All,
I have been following this thread and apologize for creating bad vibes. I was asking only out of curiosity, apparently hit some nerves, might even caught someone in a bad mood.

I don't think you need to apologize. You've been getting a lot of flak for something another poster wrote. 

[Old-Polack]

Install sudo from Synaptic. I don't see visudo in there, though. I don't know what package provides it.

[root@fatman ~]# which visudo
/usr/sbin/visudo
[root@fatman ~]# rpm -qf /usr/sbin/visudo
sudo-1.7.2-0.p4.4pclos2010.i586          <--- This one