PCLinuxOS Openbox Bonsai 2011 for test

[AS]

Hi Melodie,

no I was not forced to do anything, of course.

About 'facts', may be we have different interpretation of facts:  once I test one specific kernel, with or without acpi, and the only issue that arise is related to openbox-bonsai, can I blame the kernel itself ? or the acpi subsystem ?

Once is clear, and to me it is, that is not a kernel issue as explained before, I not going to waste my time to search for a kernel issue that I think do not exist. That's all. If you find my view unpleasant, I'm afraid, but that is.

Please forget about my reports.

AS

[melodie]

Hi again,

Any debugging goes through logs. If you find that bringing back your logs makes you waste your time, it's your right. If you want to bring back opinions it does not help. If you bring back statements that are unconsistant you don't help either and make people : I and the other testers read things that can't be used.

What I find unpleasant is just your remark "please save a bit of time to me and may be other members, ". This is out-placed in my opinion. Reports : you are not the only one around here who has knowledge, and the most knowledgeable do bring back logs.

Regards,
Mélodie

[Hootiegibbon]

Mel & AS,

While i have yet to try the latest version - I will do soon - I would like to say that Late and WMii iso's are also built on etjr's iso's as was the first 5 pCLI-NoX test iso's ( I later switched to a stripped down version of Texstar's KDE-MiniME ) although i may look to switching back if its a better option.

None of the iso's built on etjr's iso had this issue you seem to have with Bonsai, so that would - to me - idecate an issue with Bonsai only.

This narrows down our options for troubleshooting

What is different about bonsai ?

The first thing was python - that I believe has been rectified 
the next obvious thing is th use of "ZRAM" (compcache?) I would disable thsi and try to shutdown , or ensure it dumps to the hdd prior to shutdown - this may make shutdown last longer as it writes

AS, are you able to disable ZRAM and shutdown sucessfully?

Jase
 

[Yankee]

Melodie,

Is there a menu command you could put under suspend to turn off the monitor and the backlight
only, similar to turnoffmonitor in the repo ?   Full suspend turns off everything you know.


Hootie and AS :

First thing I did was turn off ZRAM on my machine.


Thank You.

[melodie]

Hi,

Ferdes, this package seems ok to me. Once installed you need to add it to menu.xml if you want the command to be at the bottom of the right-click menu. You can try to use Obmenu for this, if you are shy on editing the menu.lst (which I can perfectly understand). If once the package installed you can't get the entry as you wish in menu.xml, don't hesitate to come back in another thread, I'll try to look closer. And let me know how to get back in once the monitor is sleeping ? :p

About zram : I have tried to deactivate it just after I read Hootiegibbon's suggest. Hootie : I thought "why not try ?". But this did not work either. (very carefully, remove the file from the directory where it lives, and replace it with the original one, kept aside in case of need)

Then, I noticed something not normal with the latest upower updates, there was one machine where I got one package and another where I got 2 related packages but could not remember what.

After a closer look, the one where I got 2 : had previous depends on one, this is why I got it. I then happened to see that libupower1 has been removed from the repos and replaced by libupower-glib1.

Then I checked again because I had the 3 in one machine. And it appeared that the /usr/lib/libupower* libs did belong to 2 packages at same time ! So this is not quite correct.

I have updated and removed the obsolete package from within the Openbox distro which reboots after shutting down. The shutdown (with acpi=on) this time worked, but only this time, so back to searching.

zram is not the guilty one. I still don't know what the problem comes from but I am seeking. I have installed a Zen to be tested near, as expected it does not reboot after shutdown so as it's the smallest available around I am conparing in a "sort + diff" file, to see what I could have been missing.

Good night,
Mélodie

[Yankee]

Ferdes, this package seems ok to me. Once installed you need to add it to menu.xml if you want the command to be at the bottom of the right-click menu. You can try to use Obmenu for this, if you are shy on editing the menu.lst (which I can perfectly understand). If once the package installed you can't get the entry as you wish in menu.xml, don't hesitate to come back in another thread, I'll try to look closer. And let me know how to get back in once the monitor is sleeping ? :p

Press esc or any key will turn on the monitor if I remember right.   There isn't an internal standby command for the monitor available ?   I tried to test something today in menu.xml but kept getting a syntax error message.   But I'm sure I can get it in eventually.   Perfect program in the perfect place for my computer habits.

THX.

[djohnston]

Melodie,

(I'm still working from the pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-2011.07.iso.)

I tested the Bonsai live CD today on an AMD Duron 900mhz with 320MB of RAM and no network connection. I started it with no boot parameters. After checking all the programs included, I selected Shutdown from the menu. I experienced the reboot problem about ten seconds later. This is one of the same machines that did not show this problem yesterday. I tried it once again with no boot parameters, and the computer rebooted about ten seconds after presseing ENTER at the last message.

I booted from CD again, pressed F6 (Kernel Options), selected Default and entered acpi=off. After selecting Shutdown from the menu, the last message was "System halted". I had to power off by pressing the power button. It did not reboot. I booted from CD again, pressed F6 (Kernel Options), selected Default and entered noacpi. Same thing again. After selecting Shutdown from the menu, the last message was "System halted". I had to power off by pressing the power button. It did not reboot.

I booted from CD again, pressed F6 (Kernel Options), then selected No Local APIC from the menu. After selecting Shutdown from the menu, the PC powered down completely and did not restart. Because all this was from a live CD, there were no saved system logs. I swapped the hard drive for a larger one and installed Bonsai. I've now done at least ten shutdowns from the menu, with no extra boot parameters, and it always shuts down normally.

My ATI video card was correctly detected and setup automatically. Once installed to the hard drive, the small 320MB of RAM gives very good performance.

EDIT: After reading previous posts, I should note that ZRAM was running on the hard drive installation, although I've since turned it off.

try the ide=noirqpoll (iirc) bootcode

I forgot to try that.

[melodie]

try the ide=noirqpoll (iirc) bootcode

I forgot to try that.

Hi djohnston,

So did I. I didn't try without internet connection yesterday but with acpi=on. I have removed libupower1 and installed libupower-glib1

/ I don't understand how 2 packages are created for the same source : upower and libupower-glib are provided in the same source tarball, therefore we should not have the old libupower1 in our machines anymore once upower updated

I was hoping this would help but it's not all.

I'll boot and install a KDE Minime and compare what is installed in it and what is in Bonsai. All strange packages names I don't know go to the search button in Synaptic or on the web if the description is not precise or clear enough. I will see if I find something relevant.

Thanks for your feedback, if you find more, or an idea about how to get into what happens while the shutdown is performed...

Regards,
Mélodie

PS: for memory : After installing Minime to the Dell P 4 where I also have reboots after shutdows I want to shutdown a KDE Minime from a user konsole, using the same ConsoleKit command as in Openbox versions and see if it stays shut down.

[melodie]

Hi,

A new version is available for test as of July 24th. It is shipped with the kernel 2.6.37.4.pclos1.bfs, the initscripts initscripts 9.25-5pclos2011, mylivecd0.9.4 8pclos2011, added as well pclinuxos-menu-messages and at (3.1.12  1pclos2010).

Regards,
Mélodie

[LKJ]

hmmm, I get the login screen with the guest login and root login info from the .iso after I installed the latest version to a virtual drive.

[jlf001]

hmmm, I get the login screen with the guest login and root login info from the .iso after I installed the latest version to a virtual drive.

Same here.  Other than that, I've found nothing else.  Time to install to my HP Slimline next.

Jeff

Edit:  Installed to HP Slimline.  ldconfig: command not found error is back.

[melodie]

Hi,

This means that the /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file has been wiped out when updating the initscripts package. I'll restore the desired line for next version. To install the file by hand you just need to move /usr/share/gdm/themes/PCOBOX/background2.jpg to  /usr/share/gdm/themes/PCOBOX/background.jpg (as root in console), and you're done !

Regards,
Mélodie

[melodie]

Edit:  Installed to HP Slimline.  ldconfig: command not found error is back.

Hi, can you please try this ? Close Synaptic. In /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop, change

Code: [Select]

Exec=gksu -l /usr/sbin/synaptic

to

Code: [Select]

Exec=gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic
and same in the /home/user/.config/openbox/rc.xml where the command "synaptic" is executed. Once done, do as user in console :

openbox --reconfigure

then press keys : Windows key + s

Install whatever, and tell me if the ldconfig not found message is still there.

Thanks,
Mélodie

[jlf001]

Edit:  Installed to HP Slimline.  ldconfig: command not found error is back.

Hi, can you please try this ? Close Synaptic. In /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop, change

Code: [Select]

Exec=gksu -l /usr/sbin/synaptic

to

Code: [Select]

Exec=gksu /usr/sbin/synaptic
and same in the /home/user/.config/openbox/rc.xml where the command "synaptic" is executed. Once done, do as user in console :

openbox --reconfigure

then press keys : Windows key + s

Install whatever, and tell me if the ldconfig not found message is still there.

Thanks,
Mélodie

Sorry that did not work, the idconfig not found message is still there.  By the way, /usr/share/applications/synaptic.desktop was already correct, while /home/user/.config/openbox/rc.xml was not.

Jeff

Edit:  I just did a complete reboot, installed gimp and the idconfig message was gone.  However, I installed emelfm and the message was back.

[melodie]

Hi,

We can't say now which one is correct or not. I have used one then the other... for the same reason.

At the beginning we had : "gksu -u root /usr/sbin/synaptic/" the siamer explained us at the testers mailing list that it was not correct because in one case it was full root and not in the other and that we had to use "gsku -l /usr/sbin/synaptic". So did I and the ldconfig message was gone. But then it came back in one of the machines so I changed it again and removed the "-l", after a look into the man...

Please, could you try one, then the other, and tell me which one to setup for all ?

Thanks, and good night to all,
Mélodie