PCLinuxOS Openbox Bonsai 2011 for test

[melodie]

Thanks johnston, but this is not...

What I was trying to get was a generic launcher in the menu.xml. Here with firefox that works. The command just this way:

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$ www-browser
opens Firefox.
Once in menu.xml, that works too. In my current install I did this in menu.xml:

        <item label="Web Browser">
           <action name="Execute"><command>www-browser</command></action>

Instead of

        <item label="Firefox">
           <action name="Execute"><command>firefox</command></action>

That works too.

I have gone to IRC this evening to ask someone if what I wanted to do is possible, unfortunately, I was told that it can't work with midori (not freedesktop compliant, if I understand the thing) and I tried with Jumanji, that does not work either. (I tested in different Vbox installs).

Thanks anynow !

Soon the next...

[melodie]

Hi,

Uploading now...

265M juil. 22 00:46 pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-2011.iso
68 juil. 22 00:46 pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-2011.md5sum

and

295M juil. 22 00:47 pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-fr-2011.iso
71 juil. 22 00:47 pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-fr-2011.md5sum

Good : evening, night, afternoons... to all.

[MrBill]

Regarding shutdown/reboot. . . .

Thank you, but the shutdown/reboot problem is related to acpi management.

I do not think this is true.  I have tried most of the official PCLOS releases from 2010 and 2011.  Neither of my two machines has had a problem with any of those releases with ACPI=on with kernels 2.6.37.x or 2.6.38.x.  Only your Openbox 2011 causes this problem.

So I think there is some other problem in your project that requires changing to ACPI=off to prevent the unwanted reboot on some machines.  For example, I see that LXDE (which works great on both my machines) uses a HAL command for shutdown whereas your Openbox uses a ConsoleKit command.  All of that stuff is way over my head, but maybe FF's suggestion of exploring alternative shutdown methods has merit.

What is most confusing to me is the apparent link between this shutdown/reboot issue and my network connection.  Reboot occurs only when my computer is not connected to the net during boot.  When connected, shutdown works correctly without the need to change to ACPI=off.  Could something in the network connection script subsequently cause the ConsoleKit.Stop command to work correctly?

Can anyone confirm my reboot problem when running the LiveCD with no network connection?

[djohnston]

Regarding shutdown/reboot. . . .
Can anyone confirm my reboot problem when running the LiveCD with no network connection?

I burned the latest Bonsai to CD and first tried it on an older AMD. It has no network connection. I selected Shutdown from the Openbox live CD menu. I waited a couple of minutes. Shutdown was normal. After rebooting from the hard drive, local time and the BIOS clock were untouched, because there was no internet connection.

I then tested it on a PIII with an ethernet connection. While running the CD session, system time was set to Paris. I selected Shutdown from the Openbox live CD menu. I waited a couple of minutes. Shutdown was normal. Then I pulled the ethernet connection and booted from the live CD again. I selected Shutdown from the Openbox live CD menu. I waited a couple of minutes. Shutdown was normal.

With the PC powered off, I reconnected the ethernet cable. Once rebooted from the hard drive, local time was back to US Central because the system is set to start NTP at bootup.

Melodie,

I'll do testing of the programs tomorrow.

[melodie]

Regarding shutdown/reboot. . . .

Thank you, but the shutdown/reboot problem is related to acpi management.

I do not think this is true.  I have tried most of the official PCLOS releases from 2010 and 2011.  Neither of my two machines has had a problem with any of those releases with ACPI=on with kernels 2.6.37.x or 2.6.38.x.  Only your Openbox 2011 causes this problem.

No sir. The releases of 2010 don't have the problem. Switch to the older kernel with the next release and you should not meet with the reboot_after_shutdown in any machine I am pretty sure this would have been detected at the testing time. This was a 2.6.33.7 kernel and it is still available in the repos as far as I know.

Regarding shutdown/reboot. . . .
Can anyone confirm my reboot problem when running the LiveCD with no network connection?

I will try that with the last one just remastered, on the P 4 where I met the issue.

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With the PC powered off, I reconnected the ethernet cable. Once rebooted from the hard drive, local time was back to US Central because the system is set to start NTP at bootup.

Melodie,
I'll do testing of the programs tomorrow.

Thank you djohnston.
The next Bonsai version has ntpd deactivated before remastering. So now, you can get it here:
pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-2011.iso 265M
pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-2011.md5sum 68

Regards,
Mélodie

[Hootiegibbon]

hey all

try the ide=noirqpoll (iirc) bootcode

Jase

[melodie]

hey all

try the ide=noirqpoll (iirc) bootcode

Jase

Hi Jase, try the new Bonsai ! ^^

Here in Virtualbox setup to 500 Mb ram, it uses just a little less than 98 MB while running only Htop.

Regards,
Mélodie

[AS]

Regarding shutdown/reboot. . . .

Thank you, but the shutdown/reboot problem is related to acpi management.

I do not think this is true.  I have tried most of the official PCLOS releases from 2010 and 2011.  Neither of my two machines has had a problem with any of those releases with ACPI=on with kernels 2.6.37.x or 2.6.38.x.  Only your Openbox 2011 causes this problem.

No sir. The releases of 2010 don't have the problem. Switch to the older kernel with the next release and you should not meet with the reboot_after_shutdown in any machine I am pretty sure this would have been detected at the testing time. This was a 2.6.33.7 kernel and it is still available in the repos as far as I know.

Hi Melodie,

I'm experiencing the same result as MrBill, i.e. my EEE-BOX machine restart 20 secs after shutdown, as already reported about previous version of openbox-bonsai. Like MrBill, all others PCLinuxOS (KDE,LXDE,XFCE) flavors works correctly no matter what acpi settings is used.

AS

[MrBill]

Hi Melodie,

Yes we agree . . .

Only your Openbox 2011 causes this problem.

. . . .and I thank you again for being patient with me.  Perhaps something in the 2010 Openbox that was different from other PCLOS flavors worked OK with the earlier kernel but now does not work with the newer kernel?  This would imply that the new kernel is not the problem, but that the differences from the PCLOS standard (boot and/or shutdown routines) are the problem.

Thanks djohnston for testing the LiveCD shutdown and reporting no problems.  Hopefully most people will have the same experience.

Thanks AS for your post also.  So it seems that some of us WILL have a problem.  AS, do you see different shutdown results when you have a network connection at boot versus when you are not connected at boot?

Maybe Hootie has the answer and is trying to tell us something important . . .

try the ide=noirqpoll (iirc) bootcode

. . . but I have no idea what that means! 


--Bill

[melodie]

try the ide=noirqpoll (iirc) bootcode

. . . but I have no idea what that means!  


--Bill

That means "do no poll irq".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupt_request

It is one amongst many possible kernel options. I still have to check what polling means (from English to French).

What is different with Bonsai : it is the first original community PCLinuxOS version which is not built on a striped official PCLinuxOS KDE version but built on a clean cli.iso from etjr, all made by him from the base rpms of the repos, with only a few more additional packages that are required as depends. Therefore any tweaks that Texstar may have added in the KDE version do not benefit to Bonsai. On the other hand, there are no unwanted leftover files.

The one you have now in hands is built on the last Bonsai version know for working well as of 2010.11. And we will find out what is missing !
(We will try our best).

I'll be back...

PS: AS, and MrBill : have you both got the version I made available this morning ? Can you check with the md5sum ?

[melodie]

To all who meet with reboots after the shutdown, please go to this tread:
OB bonsai P4 HT kernel issue?, do as Hootiegibbon suggested:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,93164.msg783240.html#msg783240

Try booting with out the additional parameters and then post the dmesg output at pastebin.

additional messages from logs will be welcome too, as here:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,93164.msg794018.html#msg794018

such as a large part of the message log tail : more or less 400 to 800 lines maybe necessary. You have to go back to the last "shutting down for system halt" message.

Then we get all the messages starting from the very beginning of the following boot.

I want you to notice AS's report in that thread : AS you didn't mention which kernel 2.6.38 you used. pclos1 and plos3 give a different result in my Pentium 4 : pclos1 reboots after shutdown whatever option I insert, pclos3 shuts down correctly if I use "noacpi" instead of "acpi=on". Theses options are also available at start of Live CD and installed version, with the F3 key.

Regards,
Mélodie

[AS]

I want you to notice AS's report in that thread : AS you didn't mention which kernel 2.6.38 you used. pclos1 and plos3 give a different result in my Pentium 4 : pclos1 reboots after shutdown whatever option I insert, pclos3 shuts down correctly if I use "noacpi" instead of "acpi=on". Theses options are also available at start of Live CD and installed version, with the F3 key.

This was already reported previously:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,93164.msg782811.html#msg782811

And yes, I have downloaded and tested all pclinuxos-bonsai releases, all with the same results:

-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 284565504 Jul 16 02:19 /free_vm/pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-2011.07.15.iso
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 281866240 Jul 20 02:20 /free_vm/pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-2011.07.iso
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 276932608 Jul 22 10:24 /free_vm/pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-2011.iso
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 259178496 Jul 15 15:37 /free_vm/pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai-test-2011-06-19.iso

Maybe, you should look around some change around the followings:

apparently initscripts-8.99-22pclos2010 is installed in openbox-bonsai, but at least the script /etc/init.d/halt is not consistent with the mentioned package, don't know about the others files ...

Please, be clear that I report my results because I hope something could be found to solve the issue, but can't agree with you when you say the issue is related to ... kernel ... or... acpi ... because in that case all these things should arise also using the other PCLinuxOS flavor.

You can't say it's an ACPI issue, if this issue can't be replicated outside pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai, also you can't say it's a issue related to recent kernel because the very same kernels appear to work outside openbox-bonsai.

That's my strictly technical point of view. I'm still available to provide as much help as I can. 

AS

[melodie]

Hi AS, this is what I say because this is what I found in the log messages that I brought at the other thread. Maybe it is different in other machines. This is why I ask you and all who have met with this issue to bring the dmesg and message long tail at the other thread.

I agree with you for the rest, the aim on my side is also to solve this issue (I don't take the feedbacks which bring bad results for personal attacks, if this is what you fear. ;-) )

I'll be back, as I also want to make more tests. I have several ideas of things to check.

Regards,
Mélodie

[AS]

Hi Melodie,

please save a bit of time to me and may be other members, I have already done as much comparison as I can related to bonsai vs. other PCLinuxOS flavours. Your request seems to direct the investigation to something related to kernel, that is what you could eventually see from a dmesg. Already done, nothing useful arise from this comparison, additionally as already reported it's not (IMHO) a kernel issue.

Please can you examine what I reported:

Maybe, you should look around some change around the followings:

apparently initscripts-8.99-22pclos2010 is installed in openbox-bonsai, but at least the script /etc/init.d/halt is not consistent with the mentioned package, don't know about the others files ...

This is not a secondary issue, because i.e. if you reinstall initscript in openbox-bonsai (something I think should be allowed if you want to remain consistent with PCLinuxOS repo) the system broken completely.

AS

[melodie]

Hi Melodie,

please save a bit of time to me and may be other members,

AS, this feels unpleasant to read. Has anyone forced you to test ?

I have already done as much comparison as I can related to bonsai vs. other PCLinuxOS flavours. Your request seems to direct the investigation to something related to kernel, that is what you could eventually see from a dmesg. Already done, nothing useful arise from this comparison, additionally as already reported it's not (IMHO) a kernel issue.

Opinion does not make facts. Plenty processes are used for a simple shutdown, several different sorts can be used to initiate a shutdown. That is facts. And the logs are necessary. The kernel is not just one item, and it can deliver messages which are different according to the hardware it runs in. That is a fact.

Please can you examine what I reported:

Maybe, you should look around some change around the followings:

apparently initscripts-8.99-22pclos2010 is installed in openbox-bonsai, but at least the script /etc/init.d/halt is not consistent with the mentioned package, don't know about the others files ...

I was not on this machine when I answered at the first part of your post. Now I am. Ok, this is a package from the stable repositories, not updated.

This is not a secondary issue, because i.e. if you reinstall initscript in openbox-bonsai (something I think should be allowed if you want to remain consistent with PCLinuxOS repo) the system broken completely.

AS

Facts please ? What makes you say it is unconsistant with the version number ? Precisely, what exactly are you calling unconsistant ? I am now answering to you right from within the install from which I did the new serie, and particularly the one of this morning and of July 19th, and I don't find anything not consistant. Here some facts:

# rpm -qil initscripts
Name        : initscripts                  Relocations: (not relocatable)
Version     : 8.99                              Vendor: (none)
Release     : 22pclos2010                   Build Date: Tue 01 Jun 2010 02:57:23 AM CEST

# rpm -qf /etc/rc.d/init.d/halt
initscripts-8.99-22pclos2010

If I reinstall it breaks it ? Ok, I'll try to break it.
Thanks for reporting...