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Offline wayne1932

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Update broke video
« on: May 02, 2011, 08:31:44 AM »
I updated my machine from PASS last night before going to bed.  Everything seemed to be OK on shutdown.

This morning video would not come up.  Boot would stop on the splash screen with the BIG KDE about halfway faded in.  Start up sound would be heard.  Ctl-Alt-Bkspc would result in same thing.

This machine is a AMD dual core 4600 in  AM2 socket, with 2Gb memory.  NVIDIA GeForce 7300 video card. 

I finally got it to come up, by using safe mode, running XFdrake, choosing VESA, because choosing NVIDIA driver wouldn't work.  Then after boot up went to PCC and configured video with NVIDIA driver, and restarted X. 

Haven't rebooted yet to see if it will come up right.  I have something I must do for the next couple of hours that will take me away from home.  I'll try it when I get back.

Any ideas what happened?   And is there a better way to recover from this?
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2011, 09:08:07 AM »
Just a quick shot from the hips, assuming this must be related ... I just updated and it killed the Nvidia driver. When trying to re-install driver and/or kernel, I get an Nvidia build error (parameters are not configure for this kernel).

Cheers!
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EDIT (additional info):
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Preparing kernel 2.6.38.4-pclos1.pae.bfs for module build:
(This is not compiling a kernel, just preparing kernel symbols)
Storing current .config to be restored when complete
Running Generic preparation routine
make mrproper....
using /proc/config.gz
make oldconfig....(bad exit status: 2)
make prepare....

Building module:
cleaning build area....
make KERNELRELEASE=2.6.38.4-pclos1.pae.bfs SYSSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.38.4-pclos1.pae.bfs/build module....(bad exit status: 2)

Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.38.4-pclos1.pae.bfs (i586)
Consult the make.log in the build directory
/var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.06-1pclos2011/build/ for more information.
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/var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.06-1pclos2011/build/make.log
*** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***

make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1
Hope this help someone...
« Last Edit: May 02, 2011, 09:14:26 AM by CJ »
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Offline wayne1932

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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2011, 10:36:52 AM »
I am using kernel 2.6.37.4 ...a64

NVIDIA driver 2.1.2   ---  270.41.06


Rebooted once OK.   I'll keep trying.
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2011, 01:54:23 AM »
Same exact symptoms happened to me.  I am not on the pass server though.

I have a geforce 7300 LE and believe I was running 2.6.38-4.  I took the oppurtunity to blow away my system and test a little Gnome 3 (which didn't turn out too well)

Now I want PCLOS back!

I think it does have something to do with the 7300 card (and another model I can't think of) and new nvidia drivers.  Arch had to black list those cards and use nouveau because of issues.  The proprietary drivers are the problem.

Edit:  This is most likely 100% nvidia proprietary driver issue. ver 270xxx.  It is on every forum out there.  Since it is a proprietary issue, there is not much that can be done other than a downgrade.  I am no expert though...
« Last Edit: May 03, 2011, 07:15:05 AM by smellyman »
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2011, 08:44:03 AM »
After that initial glitch, my system has been rebooted 3 or 4 times and it seems to be working just fine.  But I am not running the .38 kernel.  I'm using the .37...a64 kernel -- maybe that's the difference.
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 02:21:24 PM »
If you have problems with the 270.41.06 driver and want use older drivers.

Download from: http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/pclinuxos/pclinuxos/apt/pclinuxos/2010/RPMS.nonfree/  (as example).

dkms-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm and x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm

Run in konsole (terminal) as su: apt-get remove --purge x11-driver-video-nvidia-current dkms-nvidia-current

Run from your download location in terminal as su: rpm -Uvh  dkms-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm

Run XFdrake.

Didn't try to revert the older drivers via synaptic with the force option

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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 02:29:37 PM »
Rekabe:  your reply is off topic.

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After update via pass sopcast player no longer working.

Going to try a few tricks and report findings.

Start another topic for your issue.

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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 04:31:18 PM »
Quote from: wayne1932 on May 03, 2011, 08:44:03 AM
After that initial glitch, my system has been rebooted 3 or 4 times and it seems to be working just fine.  But I am not running the .38 kernel.  I'm using the .37...a64 kernel -- maybe that's the difference.

Good on you, mate - happy to hear it!

Quote from: JohnW_57 on May 03, 2011, 02:21:24 PM
If you have problems with the 270.41.06 driver and want use older drivers.

Download from: http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/pclinuxos/pclinuxos/apt/pclinuxos/2010/RPMS.nonfree/  (as example).

dkms-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm and x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm

Run in konsole (terminal) as su: apt-get remove --purge x11-driver-video-nvidia-current dkms-nvidia-current

Run from your download location in terminal as su: rpm -Uvh  dkms-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm

Run XFdrake.

Didn't try to revert the older drivers via synaptic with the force option

JohnW



JohnW, thanks for you help. A slight issue:
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rpm -Uvh  dkms-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm
error: open of x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm failed: No such file or directory*** EDIT: DOH!  ::) Maybe if I could actually read, it would have spotted it! Shall try it straight away and report back. ***

Regarding forcing version in Synaptic, it doesn't like it, insofar as it simply reverts back to the most recent whatever you choose as forced version. I guess that's why it's called Current...  ::)

An aside: Remember the Flash ghosting issue? There has been some speculation that this newer Nvidia driver would fix that issue. If so, it would be expedient to have it. (Of course, with the issue at hand, I have not been able to test whether is still is a problem or not...)

Also, might be worth trying to down to the .37 kernel as per Wayne1932's suggestion.

Ideally, of course, one would have both the new kernel and the new driver working cosily together!

Cheers!
CJ
« Last Edit: May 03, 2011, 04:34:27 PM by CJ »
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 04:46:22 PM »
Quote from: CJ on May 03, 2011, 04:31:18 PM
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rpm -Uvh  dkms-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm x11-driver-video-nvidia-current-260.19.44-1pclos2011.i586.rpm

Ok, all the steps went just fine, until reboot. During compilation of the driver, I get a bad exit status (10).
(I notice that the same happened with Vbox, so it might be my machine that is shot beyond salvation by now.)

I have tried re-installing the kernel - and also tried with .38.2 kernel (that worked with the 260. driver fine before the update did me in).

/var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/260.19.44-1pclos2011/build/make.log:
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*** Unable to determine the target kernel version. ***

make: *** [select_makefile] Error 1(Same as before...)

Cheers!
CJ

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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2011, 02:31:17 AM »
Hello All,

I'm adding my info here, because related to nvidia-270.41-06. All was working fine with kernel 2.6.38.4, nvidia-current-260.19.44, flash-10.2, Nvidia 8600M GS card
Later, after upgrading to nvidia-270.41-06, had noticed a regression of flash related issues, trying to upgrade to flash.10.3 didn't improve, so I went back using flash-10.2. But flash issue were still very annoying, therefore I decided to downgrade to nvidia-260.19.44.

Following JohnW suggestions http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,90668.msg760426.html#msg760426, I'm finally back to a nearly full working behavior (still some minor flash issues).

What I want to highlight here is that the downgrade process/dkms-installation worked flawlessly for me. Looking at issues of other users, particularly at CJ's issue, I would suggest to not look too much at nvidia driver version, but instead to look at dkms building process:

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Preparing kernel 2.6.38.4-pclos1.pae.bfs for module build:
(This is not compiling a kernel, just preparing kernel symbols)
Storing current .config to be restored when complete
Running Generic preparation routine
make mrproper....
using /proc/config.gz
make oldconfig....(bad exit status: 2)
make prepare....

Building module:
cleaning build area....
make KERNELRELEASE=2.6.38.4-pclos1.pae.bfs SYSSRC=/lib/modules/2.6.38.4-pclos1.pae.bfs/build module....(bad exit status: 2)

Error! Bad return status for module build on kernel: 2.6.38.4-pclos1.pae.bfs (i586)
Consult the make.log in the build directory
/var/lib/dkms/nvidia-current/270.41.06-1pclos2011/build/ for more information.


For some reason, the build process is failing at time of "make oldconfig" and this can be a symptom of a bad kernel-devel tree, but can't exclude others causes.
A successive report from CJ, while trying to downgrade to nvidia-260.19.44 show a similar failure:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,90668.msg760489.html#msg760489
and I'm more convinced that something is broken, but it's not the nvidia driver.

My 2 cents
AS
« Last Edit: May 05, 2011, 02:32:49 AM by as »
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2011, 05:44:24 AM »
AS, thank you much for your input. I can only agree with you. The reason for the Nvidia driver to get the blame seems to be that it was the first thing to throw an error when compiling - indeed the reason for a kernel recompile at all.
Seeing that my VirtualBox gives similar errors, you are even more right.
Problem is... I have no idea on how to fix it.

What I would really like to see in this thread is someone - anyone - who is using the 270 driver with a 38 kernel (possibly a pae or a64 version) - and even the latest Flash plugin - and it works!
I.e. is it just me - us - or is this issue going to show up more often in the future.

With regards to Flash, I am disappointed to hear that the issue is still there. As I mentioned above, someone - I forget who - had reason to suppose the issue to be fixed with the 270 driver.
If you can not use that driver, I suggest you go back to Flash 10.1.102.65 - that has none of the ghosting and other issues the newer versions have. (Obviously, I cannot test this with the 270 driver...)

Lastly, I have noticed lately that I seem to - always - be the last one to hang on to my issue when everyone else has fixed theirs, so I am perhaps not the best example to use here, ha...  ::)

Cheers!
CJ
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2011, 06:13:32 AM »
Quote from: CJ on May 05, 2011, 05:44:24 AM
AS, thank you much for your input. I can only agree with you. The reason for the Nvidia driver to get the blame seems to be that it was the first thing to throw an error when compiling - indeed the reason for a kernel recompile at all.
Seeing that my VirtualBox gives similar errors, you are even more right.
Problem is... I have no idea on how to fix it.
I have no idea how to fix this issue that I can't replicate, but ... may be it's possible for you to prepare a mylivecd ISO and put it on some place (dropbox ?)
so we can download and check about the issue ? (of course, you should remove any personal info ...)

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What I would really like to see in this thread is someone - anyone - who is using the 270 driver with a 38 kernel (possibly a pae or a64 version) - and even the latest Flash plugin - and it works!

Other than the flash artifacts, (and a different video card), that was me. I runned all flash versions with nvidia 260 and 270, and 2.6.38.3/4/5 kernels,
the only problems for me was flash related, (ghosted images, artifacts, flickering), with the best tradeoff nvdia-260/flash-10.2.

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I.e. is it just me - us - or is this issue going to show up more often in the future.

With regards to Flash, I am disappointed to hear that the issue is still there. As I mentioned above, someone - I forget who - had reason to suppose the issue to be fixed with the 270 driver.
Same  disappointments here.

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If you can not use that driver, I suggest you go back to Flash 10.1.102.65 - that has none of the ghosting and other issues the newer versions have. (Obviously, I cannot test this with the 270 driver...)
Flash 10.1 works very well for me at price of higher CPU load and insecurity. Flash 10.2 with nvidia-2.60 has only minor issue, it require me a switch ALT-F1 / ALT F8 once every reboot.

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Lastly, I have noticed lately that I seem to - always - be the last one to hang on to my issue when everyone else has fixed theirs, so I am perhaps not the best example to use here, ha...  ::)

Cheers!
CJ

May be your system has some unusual set up, rarely used from other users ..., may be a missing dependency ... don't know.

AS

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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2011, 06:50:35 AM »
Quote from: as on May 05, 2011, 06:13:32 AM
I have no idea how to fix this issue that I can't replicate, but ... may be it's possible for you to prepare a mylivecd ISO and put it on some place (dropbox ?)
so we can download and check about the issue ? (of course, you should remove any personal info ...)

AS, thanks for you offer, but I say leave it for now. I have had so many issues the last few months that I am eagerly awaiting the next ISO so I can get a fresh start.
For now, I am running with VESA, though of course won't do in the long run.

Cheers!
CJ
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2011, 06:52:14 AM »
Quote from: CJ on May 05, 2011, 05:44:24 AM
What I would really like to see in this thread is someone - anyone - who is using the 270 driver with a 38 kernel (possibly a pae or a64 version) - and even the latest Flash plugin - and it works!
I.e. is it just me - us - or is this issue going to show up more often in the future.

Lastly, I have noticed lately that I seem to - always - be the last one to hang on to my issue when everyone else has fixed theirs, so I am perhaps not the best example to use here, ha...  ::)

Cheers!
CJ


Just stepping in to say that with Nvidia 8600GT card I have been through all of the kernel, driver and flash upgrades without a single hiccup.  I use the BFS kernel and wonder, before throwing the 270 driver under the bus, have you tried avoiding pae and a64 with any success?
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Re: Update broke video
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2011, 06:55:08 AM »
Quote from: MountainMan on May 05, 2011, 06:52:14 AM
Just stepping in to say that with Nvidia 8600GT card I have been through all of the kernel, driver and flash upgrades without a single hiccup.  I use the BFS kernel and wonder, before throwing the 270 driver under the bus, have you tried avoiding pae and a64 with any success?

Actually, I am glad you suggest this, as this was one thing I wanted to try - and got away from somehow. I shall go and do that right now.

Cheers!
CJ
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