Thanks for input,
i have realised that I have to close kmix before running alsaconf, and then adjust kmix, I selected an option to display just the sound out items. after this I tested it with phonon in configure your desk top > hardware > multimedia and it worked i have shut down and restarted a couple of time so i think this may have been what has been the problem, that i need to shut kmix before running alsaconf, it say to shut stuff down but I did not understand that meant kmix.
Very slow learning curve for me with linux and when I get things fixedup i seem to forget what todo next time it doesnt go how I want it to.
Forum is a good help...