[ SOLVED ] Menu Suggestion

[Was_Just19]

I am testing some VOIP apps from the repository again ..... 

Pidgin
Kopete
Linphone
Twinkle
Qutecom
Ekiga
Skype
Gyache

The Twinkle menu Entry is to be found under
More Applications - Communications
while the rest of the apps are in amongst the other internet applications.

I realise the easiest solution might be to move the Twinkle entry to 'Internet', but I would suggest that the Communications sub-folder might be moved under Internet and all the communications entries be moved into it .......  including IM, chat and VOIP apps etc.

To try to make things easier for myself I have moved the Communications sub-folder under Internet and have moved the following into it

Ekiga
Gyache
Kopete
Linphone
Pidgin
Qutecom
Skype & Skype Call Recorder
Twinkle
Xchat

Just a suggestion ......  but the Twinkle situation should be sorted out at a minimum to avoid unnecessary confusion.

regards.

[menotu]

I bet that menu started off as just Twinkle in your eye eh    Just19

[Was_Just19]

I bet that menu started off as just Twinkle in your eye eh    Just19

 

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[Taco.22]

Hi Just19,

Saw the topic and want to pick your brain if I may.  In the EduRC it has been suggested that a separate sub-menu be set up for Education, rather than under More Applications.  Are you playing with .desktop files or actually editing the menu list - are we talking /etc/xdg?  Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

[Was_Just19]

Hi Just19,

Saw the topic and want to pick your brain if I may.  In the EduRC it has been suggested that a separate sub-menu be set up for Education, rather than under More Applications.  Are you playing with .desktop files or actually editing the menu list - are we talking /etc/xdg?  Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

I am using KDE and have edited the menu with the provided GUI.

[Archie]

I understand the need for a revamp of the menu, and suggestions would be abundant.

It is one of the first task I undertake on a new install. I check and remove duplicate entries, and move items to where I think they should belong. I organize and sort. I even have a sub-folder for all the LibreOffice entries on Office.

The point is whether Kopete is under Communication or Internet, we'll have users saying, shouldn't it be under Chat for it to make more sense?

I think the best way to deal with anyone wishing to change the menu tree is to teach them how to properly do it without misplacing or losing entries.

Well, that's just my 2 cents.

[Was_Just19]

Archie, the point of this thread is that Twinkle is not under Internet along with the other apps of this type.

In fact it is under a separate Sub folder under More Applications .......  and all on its own here.

I suggested that the Communications sub folder could be moved under Internet and ALL the communications apps' menu entries could be moved into it.

[Archie]

Archie, the point of this thread is that Twinkle is not under Internet along with the other apps of this type.

In fact it is under a separate Sub folder under More Applications .......  and all on its own here.

I suggested that the Communications sub folder could be moved under Internet and ALL the communications apps' menu entries could be moved into it.

My bad... and I apologize for my indirect response to the issue you wanted to focus at. I was side-tracked by the other responses and it didn't sink to me that it was just about the misplaced Twinkle. I believe that when the applications are built and packaged, our devs just have to overlook the thousands of .desktop files that gets copied when the apps are installed. Hence, Twinkle is all by itself on More Applications > Communication.

Still, there are plenty of misplaced items on the menu. For example, SpringBoard Manager (which I tested for my iPhone) also went to More Applications > Communication and would have made more sense in Configuration. I don't somehow think our packagers will take the extra tweak to put it where it should belong. On this line of thinking, there might be other iPhone users who might have installed the package and state it shouldn't be in Configuration and that it would be better placed in Other.

So I think one way to keep everyone happy is for them to know how to modify the menu system without so much as getting menu items lost or failing to run.

[Was_Just19]

Archie, the point of this thread is that Twinkle is not under Internet along with the other apps of this type.

In fact it is under a separate Sub folder under More Applications .......  and all on its own here.

I suggested that the Communications sub folder could be moved under Internet and ALL the communications apps' menu entries could be moved into it.

My bad... and I apologize for my indirect response to the issue you wanted to focus at. I was side-tracked by the other responses and it didn't sink to me that it was just about the misplaced Twinkle. I believe that when the applications are built and packaged, our devs just have to overlook the thousands of .desktop files that gets copied when the apps are installed. Hence, Twinkle is all by itself on More Applications > Communication.

Still, there are plenty of misplaced items on the menu. For example, SpringBoard Manager (which I tested for my iPhone) also went to More Applications > Communication and would have made more sense in Configuration. I don't somehow think our packagers will take the extra tweak to put it where it should belong. On this line of thinking, there might be other iPhone users who might have installed the package and state it shouldn't be in Configuration and that it would be better placed in Other.

So I think one way to keep everyone happy is for them to know how to modify the menu system without so much as getting menu items lost or failing to run.

No apologies needed mate .....  I probably should have added a smilie   

Yes I agree, there are a lot of apps that could be in many different locations in the menu.
I may not agree with the choice made by the devs, but that is just opinion, and I alter my menu to suit my own opinion, as no doubt, do others.

The reason I thought this item needed a mention is that -- although I have a different opinion about where ALL such apps should be listed -- I believe, for consistency, that all such apps should be listed in a similar manner.
In this case Twinkle is the odd one out, and is off on its own in a different part of the menu.

That is inconsistent and confusing.

regards.   

[Archie]

No apologies needed mate .....  I probably should have added a smilie   

Yes I agree, there are a lot of apps that could be in many different locations in the menu.
I may not agree with the choice made by the devs, but that is just opinion, and I alter my menu to suit my own opinion, as no doubt, do others.

The reason I thought this item needed a mention is that -- although I have a different opinion about where ALL such apps should be listed -- I believe, for consistency, that all such apps should be listed in a similar manner.
In this case Twinkle is the odd one out, and is off on its own in a different part of the menu.

That is inconsistent and confusing.

regards.   

Every single one of our apps should, indeed be given special attention. It is the small detail that separates the quality. And it must really be lonesome for Twinkle to be up there all by itself.

This is the case where the packager needed to modify the .desktop file so Twinkle can be grouped with its class. And yes, although each one of us have our own ideas and preferences, the menu structure is  a good place to display consistency ... and sensibility.

Word up, Just19.

[Hawkeye]

Yep - some are not where I'd expect them to be either but in retrospect it's always been that way 
but I suppose like a lot of us (no matter what our flavour is MS - Ubu - even OS) they all seem to have
peculiarities somewhere and we just seem to adjust and live with it or like most of us whom like to be
able to 'tinker' we change things to our own liking.
I've been doing this for years - dang it, has been that long. 
Thinking about it all - I might start to get bored     and get serious with some other flavour then I
would have to start again finding out what hasn't been put somewhere I'd expect.
Still, knowing (finding out) how is always fun for me - even under KDE especially moving into the 4*.
Remember too that there (most likely) are lots of small apps installed that don't have a GUI or 'Menu'
entry and are run from the CLI and/or a Menu Entry needs to be created for ease of access.
And I do tend to agree with just19's "It is the small detail that separates the quality." though.

[Was_Just19]

Well hopefully the small Twinkle inconsistency will be dealt with whenever it is repackaged for an update.

Every little bit helps  ......  and it is no surprise there are some remaining inconsistencies .....  there are a lot of packages to be attended to.

regards.

[sling-shot]

There are many such small inconsistencies which could be corrected. As our developers / packagers are volunteers / overstretched things might get overlooked.

We could help them out by pointing out these. But I am not sure if that would be appropriate.

Do we have a place where we can check who has packaged what before reporting?
What would be the best place to report such things?
Will such reports be taken positively or be taken as undue criticism?

What if we create a subsection just like 'Package Suggest' in our forums that deals with such bugs / usability improvements where each issue gets posted to one topic, possible fixes are discussed and ultimately someone or a developer implements it and the topic gets locked/deleted.

By the way, shouldn't 'Configuration' be under 'Applications' itself rather than being under 'More Applications'?

[Aradalf]

I moved twinkle to the Internet category and, in the process, rebuilt it against updated libs. Is that what you wanted? Sorry if it's not.