LibreOffice

[JerryP]

OK. I'm not happy. I noticed a simple menu option under Software Center called LibreOffice Manager.  Being the curious sort I clicked on it to see what would open. Was I surprised when it immediately ripped out OpenOffice and installed LibreOffice.  It reminded me of MS updates that happen without asking you if you want them.  Pretty screwed up.
It looks no different than OpenOffice (I had to reconfigure my save options again so I can interact with MS Word people = annoying). A little Googling suggests there is a Office Suite War going on here and PCLOS must be on the LibreOffice side. Everything seems ok but....

What's the deal? 
     

[rubentje1991]

OpenOffice is gone on PCLinuxOS...
=> LibreOffice is the community-version of it (started some months ago)...

From now on, only LibreOffice will be updated on PCLinuxOS (was announced some time ago).
More info: http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=59009.0

This is because Oracle bought Sun some time ago, and the future of OpenOffice.org was very uncertain (Oracle wanted some changes, some ideas in it which the open-source community didn't want, so they copied source code, and started to work on it themselves... because Oracle didn't want to give the name to the open-source community, they gave it the name 'libreoffice'; and now most of the Linux-distributions are going to use / using LibreOffice)
=> so, now you're up to date  

[T6]

completelly wrong

openoffice is now property of a company, it is theoretically free but this is not completely true

all the developers of openoffice decided to move and abandon openoffice and created libreoffice

the decision of abandon openoffice was done by many distros if not all because oracle is not friend of open source software right now and doesn't play nice with others, this began almost a year ago when other free projects of sun now property of oracle had drastic changes discouraging people to keep working on them

it is very rude that you say that it is microsoft style when this movement is done to not fall in their practices, if you had doubts you could ask in this forum before trying libreoffice manager

openoffice wasn't removed on my machine when i installed libreoffice, don't know what you did there

[pinoc]

The deal is that PCLinuxOS has changed to go with LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice and lomanager is the program which accomplished this task by updating your no longer supported OpenOffice to the newest version of LibreOffice.

@T6: lomanager will test for and if found remove OO.

[rubentje1991]

completelly wrong

openoffice is now property of a company, it is theoretically free but this is not completely true

all the developers of openoffice decided to move and abandon openoffice and created libreoffice

the decision of abandon openoffice was done by many distros if not all because oracle is not friend of open source software right now and doesn't play nice with others, this began almost a year ago when other free projects of sun now property of oracle had drastic changes discouraging people to keep working on them

it is very rude that you say that it is microsoft style when this movement is done to not fall in their practices, if you had doubts you could ask in this forum before trying libreoffice manager

openoffice wasn't removed on my machine when i installed libreoffice, don't know what you did there

Since some versions of the lomanager, it DOES delete the (old) openoffice if there is any version of it installed on the machine (just because two of them are not needed)
=> look at the link I gave: pinoc posted there something in purple  

[T6]

ok, when i installed it that happened, any way i removed it when i used it the first time, not a big deal

as said before, if you really like openoffice you can download it and install it, just s other users do with lotus and similar office suites and don't use libreoffice

to be honest if libreoffice continues like this, in one year nobody will remember openoffice 

[mellon]

Well, they beat OO as far as coming first with version 3.3. as portable apps.

Always useful to have it on a stick.

http://portableapps.com/apps/office/libreoffice_portable

Mellon

[JerryP]

it is very rude that you say that it is microsoft style when this movement is done to not fall in their practices, if you had doubts you could ask in this forum before trying libreoffice manager
openoffice wasn't removed on my machine when i installed libreoffice, don't know what you did there

Glad it didn't happen to you but all I did was as stated - I clicked on it, expecting it to actually open an app.  Instead it opened a terminal and for lack of a better description it took over my computer and TOLD me it was removing OOo and proceeded to do so with no interaction on my part.  I guess I have a different idea of what is rude than you do.

While my computer was under the control on the LibreOffice installer I determined I would rip it out and reinstall OOo.  But as long as LibreOffice works the same as OOo and I can really see no appreciable difference I'm fine with it.  It's just that I feel I should have the option to enjoy my free beer or not and not have it poured down my throat no matter how much the potential fun.

[T6]

i didn't said that the process wasn't rude, i complained because you didn't investigated first and decided to do that process

anyway, openoffice is history now

Texstar or maybe pinoc in another popular post mentioned that this was the biggest update recently available while the repos went down, that this was the only important thing to download while we didn't had repos for 2 weeks

[kyndscotsman]

ok where is this package for libre office at. My system and repositories are up to date but whenever I do a search for it in synaptic I can't find it at all

[YouCanToo]

ok where is this package for libre office at. My system and repositories are up to date but whenever I do a search for it in synaptic I can't find it at all

it is called lomanager in synaptic. You will find it installed at PC menu --> office -- LibreOffice Manager

when you run it it WILL remove OpenOffice if it is installed and than will download and installed LibreOffice

[Aradalf]

it is very rude that you say that it is microsoft style when this movement is done to not fall in their practices, if you had doubts you could ask in this forum before trying libreoffice manager
openoffice wasn't removed on my machine when i installed libreoffice, don't know what you did there

Glad it didn't happen to you but all I did was as stated - I clicked on it, expecting it to actually open an app.  Instead it opened a terminal and for lack of a better description it took over my computer and TOLD me it was removing OOo and proceeded to do so with no interaction on my part.  I guess I have a different idea of what is rude than you do.

While my computer was under the control on the LibreOffice installer I determined I would rip it out and reinstall OOo.  But as long as LibreOffice works the same as OOo and I can really see no appreciable difference I'm fine with it.  It's just that I feel I should have the option to enjoy my free beer or not and not have it poured down my throat no matter how much the potential fun.

But when Libreoffice Manager is started up, it does not automatically remove Openoffice and install Libreoffice. First it asks you what you want to do, then it asks what language to install it in if you choose to install, then it installs. It doesn't "open a terminal and take over your computer and TELL you it was removing OOo and proceed to do so with no interaction on your part", as you so kindly put it. You went ahead with the installation.

[pinoc]

it is very rude that you say that it is microsoft style when this movement is done to not fall in their practices, if you had doubts you could ask in this forum before trying libreoffice manager
openoffice wasn't removed on my machine when i installed libreoffice, don't know what you did there

Glad it didn't happen to you but all I did was as stated - I clicked on it, expecting it to actually open an app.  Instead it opened a terminal and for lack of a better description it took over my computer and TOLD me it was removing OOo and proceeded to do so with no interaction on my part.  I guess I have a different idea of what is rude than you do.

While my computer was under the control on the LibreOffice installer I determined I would rip it out and reinstall OOo.  But as long as LibreOffice works the same as OOo and I can really see no appreciable difference I'm fine with it.  It's just that I feel I should have the option to enjoy my free beer or not and not have it poured down my throat no matter how much the potential fun.

But when Libreoffice Manager is started up, it does not automatically remove Openoffice and install Libreoffice. First it asks you what you want to do, then it asks what language to install it in if you choose to install, then it installs. It doesn't "open a terminal and take over your computer and TELL you it was removing OOo and proceed to do so with no interaction on your part", as you so kindly put it. You went ahead with the installation.

Exactly, thanks Aradalf.
JerryP, pretty screwed up, behaving the Microsoft-way by clicking yes,yes,yes without reading, right?
-p.

[bascule]

But when Libreoffice Manager is started up, it does not automatically remove Openoffice and install Libreoffice. First it asks you what you want to do, then it asks what language to install it in if you choose to install, then it installs. It doesn't "open a terminal and take over your computer and TELL you it was removing OOo and proceed to do so with no interaction on your part", as you so kindly put it. You went ahead with the installation.

That's partly true, but what it doesn't do at any point is warn the user that OO.o is going to be removed.

This seems a little bit wrong to me.

I knew what LOManager was going to do, but I was still surprised when I ran it that there was no final confirmation message saying something like 'LibreOffice will now remove OpenOffice from your computer (this will not affect any of your documents or templates). OK / Cancel'.

Surely that could have been added to the script? Good user interaction programming should ensure that the user is never surprised by what an application does.

[JerryP]

Well, that's not how I remember it but then again I'm old (and a Pollack to boot).  If I had a choice I must have read it as being sufficiently innocuous to not even break stride.  Like my signature says, "It's hard to make things foolproof because fools are so darn ingenious." I just expect software installations (or de-installation) to be foolproof even for old fools.