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[Texstar]

Just two. 

[daniel]

I'm not sure, but why don't use some users the search tool   

[Neal ManBear]

I'm not sure, but why don't use some users the search tool   

That is a puzzle.

[daniel]

I'm not sure, but why don't use some users the search tool   

That is a puzzle.

No not really, we like to write every day ... 

[Neal ManBear]

 

[Texstar]

I'm not sure, but why don't use some users the search tool   

That is a puzzle.

No not really, we like to write every day ... 

The same thing you just answered the day before and the day before that? Sometimes I feel like I'm stuck like in that movie Groundhog Day! 

[daniel]

I'm not sure, but why don't use some users the search tool   

That is a puzzle.

No not really, we like to write every day ... 

The same thing you just answered the day before and the day before that? Sometimes I feel like I'm stuck like in that movie Groundhog Day! 

+1 

[veronicathecow]

Hi Neal, sorry but 7 years has taught me to secure my routers firewall, and a  firewall on linux, add "Noscript" and "Web of Trust" to firefox, do regular updates, check with shieldsup and that "root" is the only way I can do what I want without going slightly insane(er) 8-)

If I mess up and delete the whole system, ah well I have probably done several hundred installs over time so what is one more 8-)
I consider my self a reasonably experienced installer but a linux newbie. 8-)

Sadly cannot remember file name.

No search on PCman
Tried Dolphin search (not working) Wanted to try and find "mouse" in file
grep -r "mouse" *.* get me nothing from root and nothing useful from /etc

Also for some reason I am not getting topic notification emails through....

[Neal ManBear]

Hi Neal, sorry but 7 years has taught me to secure my routers firewall, and a  firewall on linux, add "Noscript" and "Web of Trust" to firefox, do regular updates, check with shieldsup

Good security practices.

and that "root" is the only way I can do what I want without going slightly insane(er) 8-)

As I have said before, logging into root is dangerous! There are tools available in the user account to perform root tasks. More tools can be added through Synaptic, if they are needed.

You may need to spend some time learning how to use those tools, but the security is worth it. It is not hard to learn how to work from your user account, nor will it drive you insane. I learned how to work from within my user account immediately after installing PCLinuxOS for the first time. That was 6 years ago.

If I mess up and delete the whole system, ah well I have probably done several hundred installs over time so what is one more 8-)
I consider my self a reasonably experienced installer but a linux newbie. 8-)

Newbie, eh? Then listen and learn. If you actually want to get some work done, and you want to go beyond just knowing how to reinstall, work from your user account. A rolling release install can go on for years, if kept up to date, without a need to reinstall. A reinstall becomes necessary only about every 3  years or so.

It is absolutely not necessary to put your system at risk by working from the root account.

Sadly cannot remember file name.

No search on PCman
Tried Dolphin search (not working) Wanted to try and find "mouse" in file
grep -r "mouse" *.* get me nothing from root and nothing useful from /etc

PCManFM has no built in search function. It is a lightweight file manager.

Also for some reason I am not getting topic notification emails through....

Click on Notify at the top of this topic.

[veronicathecow]

Hi Neal thanks for taking time to reply.

Because of you next time I do a re-install I will try again with a user but as yet I have not had anyone point me to a definitive website that explains (nor have I found one) why root is dangerous other than "If they get into your root account they can do anything!).

I have a feeling the biggest risk is from dodgy addons for firefox etc or programs that end up in repository by stealth.

Until the other day I had 3 HDDs with 9 separate partitions on them so things can get a bit confusing sometimes and there always seem to be permission problems when running as a user. (Add to that this dreadful grub2 business that scraps grub1 and totally kills any Puppy installs....)

Whilst not a Linux whizz I have done a lot of things from writing basic machine code (Back in the 8080 days, pre Z80s), interfaced home made hardware to Spectrums, worked for many years repairing micro based boards down to component level, installed complete school computer suites dual booting XP and SUSE etc so am a bit of a nerd. Strangely enough even though I have done all that I have never managed to get a program to compile successfully! (And I have tried so many times...)

I just wish there was an active LUG in the area (North of Swansea)

cheers again, I really appreciate the help
P.S. Had already clicked on n otify but didn't get email, probably some spam filter eating it!

[daniel]

You should take a look in your spam folder 

[Old-Polack]

Until the other day I had 3 HDDs with 9 separate partitions on them so things can get a bit confusing sometimes and there always seem to be permission problems when running as a user. (Add to that this dreadful grub2 business that scraps grub1 and totally kills any Puppy installs....)

Three hard drives and nine partitions have you confused? I'm sorry, but I find that hilarious.

[root@littleboy ~]# fdisk -l

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Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200049647616 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x000565cd

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1               1          45      361431   83  Linux
/dev/sda2              46         257     1702890   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda3             258       12161    95618880   83  Linux
/dev/sda4           12162       24321    97675200    5  Extended
/dev/sda5           12162       24321    97675168+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/sdb: 164.7 GB, 164696555520 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 20023 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xd7523ebd

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1          13      104391   83  Linux
/dev/sdb2              14         257     1959930   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdb3             258        1778    12217432+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb4            1779       20023   146552962+   5  Extended
/dev/sdb5            1779        7860    48853633+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb6            7861       14000    49319518+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb7           14001       20023    48379716   83  Linux

Disk /dev/sdc: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00000000

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1               1          39      313236   83  Linux
/dev/sdc2              40        1047     8096760   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdc3            1048        7127    48837600   83  Linux
/dev/sdc4            7128      121601   919512405    5  Extended
/dev/sdc5            7128       20500   107418591   83  Linux
/dev/sdc6           20501       33267   102550896   83  Linux
/dev/sdc7           33268       37158    31254426   83  Linux
/dev/sdc8           37159       41049    31254426   83  Linux
/dev/sdc9           41050       44940    31254426   83  Linux
/dev/sdc10          44941       48831    31254426   83  Linux
/dev/sdc11          48832       61886   104864256   83  Linux
/dev/sdc12          61887      101050   314584798+  83  Linux
/dev/sdc13         101051      104942    31262458+  83  Linux
/dev/sdc14         104943      108893    31736376   83  Linux
/dev/sdc15         108894      113071    33559753+  83  Linux
/dev/sdc16         113072      116988    31463271   83  Linux
/dev/sdc17         116989      121601    37053891   83  Linux

Disk /dev/sdd: 750.2 GB, 750156374016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 91201 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x2db1883a

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdd1               1          13      104391   83  Linux
/dev/sdd2              14         761     6008310   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdd3             762        4497    30009420   83  Linux
/dev/sdd4            4498       91201   696449880    5  Extended
/dev/sdd5            4498       16947   100004593+  83  Linux
/dev/sdd6           16948       41750   199230066   83  Linux
/dev/sdd7           41751       45520    30282493+  83  Linux
/dev/sdd8           45521       50506    40050013+  83  Linux
/dev/sdd9           50507       65096   117194143+  83  Linux
/dev/sdd10          65097       79686   117194143+  83  Linux
/dev/sdd11          79687       91201    92494206   83  Linux


[Neal ManBear]

Hi Neal thanks for taking time to reply.

Because of you next time I do a re-install I will try again with a user but as yet I have not had anyone point me to a definitive website that explains (nor have I found one) why root is dangerous other than "If they get into your root account they can do anything!).

You should not wait.
This site may answer some of your questions.

I have a feeling the biggest risk is from dodgy addons for firefox etc or programs that end up in repository by stealth.

Any browser has vulnerabilities -- cookies, java cookies, scripts, etc.

Use only the PCLinuxOS repository or one of its mirrors. Any of them can be set up in Synaptic.

Never install an outside RPM!

Until the other day I had 3 HDDs with 9 separate partitions on them so things can get a bit confusing sometimes and there always seem to be permission problems when running as a user. (Add to that this dreadful grub2 business that scraps grub1 and totally kills any Puppy installs....)

Permissions problems can be solved. Just post a new thread (one issue per thread, please).

We do not use grub2. It isn't ready yet.

Whilst not a Linux whizz I have done a lot of things from writing basic machine code (Back in the 8080 days, pre Z80s), interfaced home made hardware to Spectrums, worked for many years repairing micro based boards down to component level, installed complete school computer suites dual booting XP and SUSE etc so am a bit of a nerd. Strangely enough even though I have done all that I have never managed to get a program to compile successfully! (And I have tried so many times...)

Are these programs that you wrote? Your configure and/or make files may need to be rewritten. If these are apps you downloaded from the net, we do not support installing from outside sources.

I just wish there was an active LUG in the area (North of Swansea)

cheers again, I really appreciate the help
P.S. Had already clicked on n otify but didn't get email, probably some spam filter eating it!

As blindschLeiche says, you should check your spam folder.

[veronicathecow]

Now Old-Polack that's just showing off!  

Hi blindschLeiche
No, my spam folder is fine, it's the ones on the way here where they go missing (at one stage they were eating the odd Ebay email, very frustrating), I blame Talktalk servers. (Still no notification emails)


Hi Neal, just been having a look at the site you recommended (thanks)
 tried visudo but I get
"visudo: no editor found (editor path = /bin/vi)"

Tried to install vi (it's not in repository)

Found PCLinuxos uses su instead so irrelevant.  

Anyway will have some more looks later. You will be pleased to know you have prompted me to actually add a password to my root account  

I remember being at a schools IT exhibition many years ago when they were bringing out XP and this speaker was giving the talk about how secure it was. About 5 minutes in I called out. "I have a DOS prompt and can type in format c:"

There was a bit of a fuss... From then on I was surrounded by 4-5 of their minions keeping an eye on me. Was I some super hacker?... No, I got lucky and found my way to a DOS prompt via the Help system   but it was fun.

Cookies a security threat? I can't see that other than if some server along the way is hacked and to be honest then I think cookies or not they will get us.

Sometimes I have to install external (like bbc_iplayer, samsung printer drivers (No Cups choice does not work on mine, Splix worked on my old one but not this)),

Yes Grub2 is a pain, I installed Mint (4 different versions) and it killed PCLinuxos and Puppy 5.2)

No I have not written any progs for Linux (don't have the time, knowledge or eyesight really), I try and help by promoting and the odd small donation to Tex and others.

CHeers

[Neal ManBear]

Now blindschLeiche that's just showing off!   

No, my spam folder is fine, it's the ones on the way here where they go missing (at one stage they were eating the odd Ebay email, very frustrating), I blame Talktalk servers. (Still no notification emails)


Hi Neal, just been having a look at the site you recommended (thanks)
 tried visudo but I get
"visudo: no editor found (editor path = /bin/vi)"

I said, "...may answer some of your questions." I did not say that you should follow all of their directions.

Tried to install vi (it's not in repository)

Yes it is. Install vim-enhanced. There is also a vimguide package available.

Found PCLinuxos uses su instead so irrelevant. 

Yes, PCLinuxOS uses su. I'm sure I said this before - in a terminal enter su and then root's password. By default sudo is not enabled. IMO, it should not be used. Ever.

Anyway will have some more looks later. You will be pleased to know you have prompted me to actually add a password to my root account 

  You had no root password?!? Holy crap! That is definitely a security no-no!

I remember being at a schools IT exhibition many years ago when they were bringing out XP and this speaker was giving the talk about how secure it was. About 5 minutes in I called out. "I have a DOS prompt and can type in format c:"

There was a bit of a fuss... From then on I was surrounded by 4-5 of their minions keeping an eye on me. Was I some super hacker?... No, I got lucky and found my way to a DOS prompt via the Help system    but it was fun.

Cookies a security threat? I can't see that other than if some server along the way is hacked and to be honest then I think cookies or not they will get us.

Yes. Cookies are small programs that are installed through / in your browser. Think about it for a while. Even anti-spyware apps in winders recognize them as dangerous.

Sometimes I have to install external (like bbc_iplayer, samsung printer drivers (No Cups choice does not work on mine, Splix worked on my old one but not this)),

We have the Package Suggest section. Read and follow the rules posted as a sticky topic.

We do not support installing from outside sources. You must provide your own support, if you do that.

Yes Grub2 is a pain, I installed Mint (4 different versions) and it killed PCLinuxos and Puppy 5.2)

When it is stable enough for use and doesn't cause problems, we will switch to grub2.

Just to note, we do not discuss other distros.

No I have not written any progs for Linux (don't have the time, knowledge or eyesight really), I try and help by promoting and the odd small donation to Tex and others.

CHeers