LXDE Close, minimise, maximise plus timer

[rogan]

Back to topic. Three users have been affected by disappearing title bars and busy mouse cursors, among other things. BJF, myself and veronicathecow.

After reading this thread I renamed my user's .config folder to .config-old, logged out of session, then logged in and my LXDE desktop is back. With title bars, proper mouse cursor and everything else. The only "downside" is I lost my desktop customizations, but a little bit of tweaking will bring them back. It all started with unplugging and plugging different USB pointing devices (mice, mouses ) during a session. It never happens in OpenBox, no matter how hard I try.

[BJF]

Well done Rogan! I'll try it in one of my spare moments and report. 

[BJF]

Yep. Works for me too. For the record, I opened /Me/.Config/lxsession/LXDE and renamed config to config.old and desktop.conf to .old as well. Then I deleted the content of /Openbox. Rebooted and the manic cursor has gone and all is well again.
Next, I will compare the content of the new config file to the .old one and see if I can shed some light on any differences so that a grown-up might find a way to stop it happening to others. Watch this space.

(edit) Now that's interesting. The same, renamed files are all that is present in /lxsession/LXDE and /Openbox has rewritten lxde-rc.xml . I know that deleting that file alone doesn't fix the problem, but I am at a loss to explain how the renamed config files see something different and break out of the topic fault.

Neal??? Are you there Neal? I have footprints and a smoking gun but no suspect. Any ideas?

(Re-edit) Without modification to the new and well behaved desktop I went back and removed the .old suffix from those two files. No other changes, just removed the suffix. Rebooted to the manic cursor and no titlebars. LXDE seems to behave itself with reference to some other configuration unmodified if the lxsession one is removed and goes loopy if given it back. Would the damage to the content of this file be recognised if I publish it?   

[veronicathecow]

Hi, rebooted this morning only to find the same initial problem again
Close, minimise, maximise not present, busy cursor, no alt-tab.

I deleted /Me/.Config/lxsession/LXDE/config and rebooted and all was well again.
I have not been fiddling with any setting since last reboot. Other than that the system seems very stable.

[Neal ManBear]

My ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/desktop.conf --

Code: [Select]

[Session]
window_manager=openbox-lxde

[GTK]
sNet/ThemeName=Clearlooks
sNet/IconThemeName=nuoveXT2
sGtk/FontName=Sans 10
iGtk/ToolbarStyle=3
iGtk/ButtonImages=1
iGtk/MenuImages=1
iGtk/CursorThemeSize=18
iXft/Antialias=1

sGtk/ColorScheme=
sGtk/CursorThemeName=crystalblue
iGtk/ToolbarIconSize=3
iNet/EnableEventSounds=0
iNet/EnableInputFeedbackSounds=0

[Mouse]
AccFactor=20
AccThreshold=10
LeftHanded=0

[Keyboard]
Delay=500
Interval=30

Note: The opening line is empty. The entries begin on the second line with [Session].

Something to try --
Open ~/.config/pcmanfm and delete the 2 files there. Note: Do not delete the folder!

[Neal ManBear]

Yep. Works for me too. For the record, I opened /Me/.Config/lxsession/LXDE and renamed config to config.old and desktop.conf to .old as well. Then I deleted the content of /Openbox. Rebooted and the manic cursor has gone and all is well again.

Rather than delete the openbox folder, try renaming it to ~.old. This should be considered a default, when you work with your config files and folders.

Next, I will compare the content of the new config file to the .old one and see if I can shed some light on any differences so that a grown-up might find a way to stop it happening to others. Watch this space.

(edit) Now that's interesting. The same, renamed files are all that is present in /lxsession/LXDE and /Openbox has rewritten lxde-rc.xml . I know that deleting that file alone doesn't fix the problem, but I am at a loss to explain how the renamed config files see something different and break out of the topic fault.

Neal??? Are you there Neal? I have footprints and a smoking gun but no suspect. Any ideas?

  I'm here usually. Sometimes I need to take a break to eat a bite and get some sleep.

(Re-edit) Without modification to the new and well behaved desktop I went back and removed the .old suffix from those two files. No other changes, just removed the suffix. Rebooted to the manic cursor and no titlebars. LXDE seems to behave itself with reference to some other configuration unmodified if the lxsession one is removed and goes loopy if given it back. Would the damage to the content of this file be recognised if I publish it?   

Post the file. We can only try.

[BJF]

Neal:Anything here? The .old suffixed files are the corrected ones, the unsuffixed files are the ones from the manic cursor/gone titlebars desktop.

config:
(code)


[Session]
window_manager=openbox-lxde

Config.old:
(code)


[Session]
window_manager=openbox-lxde

Desktop.conf:
(code)


[Mouse]
AccFactor=20
AccThreshold=10
LeftHanded=0

[Keyboard]
Delay=500
Interval=30
Beep=1

[GTK]
sNet/ThemeName=Clearlooks
sGtk/FontName=DejaVu Sans 10
sGtk/ColorScheme=
sNet/IconThemeName=nuoveXT-aero
iGtk/CursorThemeSize=0
iGtk/ToolbarStyle=2
iGtk/ToolbarIconSize=3
iGtk/ButtonImages=1
iGtk/MenuImages=1
iNet/EnableEventSounds=0
iNet/EnableInputFeedbackSounds=0

Desktop.conf.old:
(code)


[Mouse]
AccFactor=20
AccThreshold=10
LeftHanded=0

[Keyboard]
Delay=500
Interval=30
Beep=1

[GTK]
sNet/ThemeName=Clearlooks
sGtk/FontName=DejaVu Sans 10
sGtk/ColorScheme=
sNet/IconThemeName=nuoveXT-aero
iGtk/CursorThemeSize=0
iGtk/ToolbarStyle=2
iGtk/ToolbarIconSize=3
iGtk/ButtonImages=1
iGtk/MenuImages=1
iNet/EnableEventSounds=0
iNet/EnableInputFeedbackSounds=0


Thanks.

[Neal ManBear]

Is (code) actually in your file? Or were you trying to insert your file into your post using the insert code method?

BTW, mixing file and file.old together is rather useless. As they are 2 separate files, post them separately.
 

[Neal ManBear]

To insert a file, type [ (an opening bracket) and then type the word code followed by a ] (a closing bracket), copy and paste the file and to end the insert, type [ (an opening bracket) and then type / (a forward slash) and the word code followed by a ] (a closing bracket).

[BJF]

I will pick up on the convention to insert files into mail in a non-confusing way. I will. Honest. 
What I have done, I thought, was to publish the content of the two desktop.conf files derived from that netbook SD install that went dopey about four weeks ago. The desktop.conf is the one that applied to the desktop that misbehaves no matter what. If I then rename it desktop.config.old, and of course apply the same convention to the conf file that is the only other file in /.conf.lxsession/LXDE, WITH NO OTHER CHANGES, I get a normally behaving desktop with black titlebars but everything else where it was, as it was,  before the renaming. And to my eye the desktop.conf file doesn't change.
If I can clarify more please ask, but simplest-put, adding or removing only a suffix in this case .old completely changes the behavior of the same desktop. The file, desktop.conf, doesn't change content.   

[Neal ManBear]

Questions:
How does your file compare to mine? (posted earlier)
What other changes have you made? (be specific)
What tool did you use to make those changes? (be specific)
Other than renaming the file, what else have you done in your efforts to fix this? (be specific)

[BJF]

How does your file compare to mine? (posted earlier)

My published file looks different in many respects to your published file, by my observation.

What other changes have you made? (be specific)

The only changes I made after doing a new install to a new SD to get my notebook useable again was to boot up the problem SD again when this thread opened, and rename those files. Oh, and delete /.conf/Openbox with PCManFM, which was rewritten by the next boot.

What tool did you use to make those changes? (be specific)

PCManFM/rt click/Rename.

Other than renaming the file, what else have you done in your efforts to fix this? (be specific)

Nothing. I renamed, rebooted, and noted the cursor/titlebar problem gone. Closed, rebooted, removed the suffix to return the files to their original names, closed. Rebooted, and noted that although the file contents never seem to change the bad behaviour returned. I have not modified any file content from that which killed off my desktop originally. I simply rename and reboot and observe. Why my desktop.conf looks so different to yours amazes me. That it works happily under an assumed name has me baffled.

[Neal ManBear]

How does your file compare to mine? (posted earlier)

My published file looks different in many respects to your published file, by my observation.

Try replacing the content of your file with mine.

What other changes have you made? (be specific)

The only changes I made after doing a new install to a new SD to get my notebook useable again was to boot up the problem SD again when this thread opened, and rename those files. Oh, and delete /.conf/Openbox with PCManFM, which was rewritten by the next boot.

So this is on a problem SD? Ever think it might be the problem?

What tool did you use to make those changes? (be specific)

PCManFM/rt click/Rename.

Other than renaming the file, what else have you done in your efforts to fix this? (be specific)

Nothing. I renamed, rebooted, and noted the cursor/titlebar problem gone. Closed, rebooted, removed the suffix to return the files to their original names, closed. Rebooted, and noted that although the file contents never seem to change the bad behaviour returned. I have not modified any file content from that which killed off my desktop originally. I simply rename and reboot and observe. Why my desktop.conf looks so different to yours amazes me. That it works happily under an assumed name has me baffled.

So your install is all default? No theme changes, apps added or system files edited?

[BJF]

I don't know how to be of much more help, really, Neal. This install we speak of had been used happily for around three months, was updated around weekly intervals, does include GoogleEarth, was modified to look and feel like "mine", was the install that required the time delay we sorted out on the Forum to auto log-in, is on an SD that among 2-3 of them that I keep for this notebook has the 'problem' install on it, and is one of at least three reported cases of LXDE 2010.10 that have lost titlebars and demonstrated the same cursor activity. This after a period of static apart from updates normal daily use. Whatever the common feature in those three cases we may never know. Not without comparison. GoogleEarth updated??? All I can say for certain is that (the very next boot??) after a regular update I lost the normal use of the desktop and posted it, and this being about the third such time it happened to me (see Forum thread about laptop doing it around the USB dongle install), I resolved to reinstall 2010.10 'cos it rocks, fully update, and then only install what I need from Synaptic and not update but reinstall at 6-12 month intervals.
And yes, I will copy and paste your file, and report. Gotta go to work now.

Thanks lots.

[Neal ManBear]

I don't know how to be of much more help, really, Neal. This install we speak of had been used happily for around three months, was updated around weekly intervals, does include GoogleEarth, was modified to look and feel like "mine", ....

When I asked, "What other changes have you made? (be specific)." this is what was meant. You said you had made no changes.
In trying to track down a problem, accurate information is need. When information is asked for, please post it, even if you think it couldn't possibly be relevant. I am unable to recreate your error. In any attempt to do so, I need to know what changes you have made, any error messages you have encountered and what you were doing when you got them, plus any steps you may have taken to resolve the issue. Full hardware information should be given, also, as some problems may be hardware specific.
Anything could be the source of the problem. The OS is a combination of the Linux kernel, plus a collection of tools and libraries and a desktop environment. These should work together.

.....was the install that required the time delay we sorted out on the Forum to auto log-in, is on an SD that among 2-3 of them that I keep for this notebook has the 'problem' install on it, and is one of at least three reported cases of LXDE 2010.10 that have lost titlebars and demonstrated the same cursor activity. This after a period of static apart from updates normal daily use. Whatever the common feature in those three cases we may never know. Not without comparison. GoogleEarth updated??? All I can say for certain is that (the very next boot??) after a regular update I lost the normal use of the desktop and posted it, and this being about the third such time it happened to me (see Forum thread about laptop doing it around the USB dongle install), I resolved to reinstall 2010.10 'cos it rocks, fully update, and then only install what I need from Synaptic and not update but reinstall at 6-12 month intervals.
And yes, I will copy and paste your file, and report. Gotta go to work now.

Thanks lots.