Author Topic: USB to IDE mobo connection ??  (Read 3498 times)

Offline thorper

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 853
  • Linux Counter #490490
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2010, 02:46:07 AM »
I found this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130517 I this what you mean?
Too many cops, too few donuts.

Offline Was_Just19

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6852
  • MLU
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2010, 02:55:44 AM »
I found this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130517 I this what you mean?


That is for connection an IDE drive to a USB port ..........   the opposite to what is required.

It maybe could be made to work with some extra wiring ........  but I have found no reference to anyone claiming they got it working .....

Offline scoundrel

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4506
  • Philosophy= Bigger Hammer
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2010, 06:52:44 AM »
I found this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130517 I this what you mean?


That is for connection an IDE drive to a USB port ..........   the opposite to what is required.

It maybe could be made to work with some extra wiring ........  but I have found no reference to anyone claiming they got it working .....


it could be connected to the flat cable ... but still the question .. will it work that rout ..
Please Donate Today..Or I Will Make You Wish You Had

Offline Was_Just19

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6852
  • MLU
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2010, 07:35:21 AM »
I found this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130517 I this what you mean?


That is for connection an IDE drive to a USB port ..........   the opposite to what is required.

It maybe could be made to work with some extra wiring ........  but I have found no reference to anyone claiming they got it working .....


it could be connected to the flat cable ... but still the question .. will it work that rout ..


The first difficulty I see is power to the USB device .........

Offline scoundrel

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4506
  • Philosophy= Bigger Hammer
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2010, 07:48:29 AM »
not a problem... at least not on the one I linked to earlier .. + I found another that you just plug the power cable to the adapter
Please Donate Today..Or I Will Make You Wish You Had

Offline thorper

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 853
  • Linux Counter #490490
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2010, 07:52:06 AM »
Here is always this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143274 which does come with a power unit. You could try the ebuyer forum to see if you can get technical help with this type of device http://forums.ebuyer.com/
Too many cops, too few donuts.

Offline Was_Just19

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6852
  • MLU
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2010, 07:56:00 AM »
not a problem... at least not on the one I linked to earlier .. + I found another that you just plug the power cable to the adapter

The adapters designed for external drives to be connected to a USB socket on the PC may have a power supply, but that is used to power the HDD and does not send power out on the USB side ........  if it did it would clash with the power from the USB socket on the PC.

I don't believe I have see a link to one which powered the USB side and not the IDE side of the adaptor ..........


Offline scoundrel

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4506
  • Philosophy= Bigger Hammer
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2010, 07:58:15 AM »
Here is always this http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143274 which does come with a power unit. You could try the ebuyer forum to see if you can get technical help with this type of device http://forums.ebuyer.com/


looks cheap enough  ;D
Please Donate Today..Or I Will Make You Wish You Had

Offline scoundrel

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4506
  • Philosophy= Bigger Hammer
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2010, 08:00:39 AM »
not a problem... at least not on the one I linked to earlier .. + I found another that you just plug the power cable to the adapter


The adapters designed for external drives to be connected to a USB socket on the PC may have a power supply, but that is used to power the HDD and does not send power out on the USB side ........  if it did it would clash with the power from the USB socket on the PC.

I don't believe I have see a link to one which powered the USB side and not the IDE side of the adaptor ..........




check this vid ... http://www.sataadapter.com/
Please Donate Today..Or I Will Make You Wish You Had

Offline Was_Just19

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6852
  • MLU
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2010, 08:15:51 AM »
not a problem... at least not on the one I linked to earlier .. + I found another that you just plug the power cable to the adapter


The adapters designed for external drives to be connected to a USB socket on the PC may have a power supply, but that is used to power the HDD and does not send power out on the USB side ........  if it did it would clash with the power from the USB socket on the PC.

I don't believe I have see a link to one which powered the USB side and not the IDE side of the adaptor ..........




check this vid ... http://www.sataadapter.com/


Yes  ........  and the whole construction is designed to power the attached PATA/SATA drives (motherboard in your case! ) ..........  and not a USB drive .........  so I see no real difference between that and others.

The problem remains .......  you have to power the USB drive somehow .....

Someone else wanted to do the same thing and got no solution ......

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/250836-32-convert-thumb-drive-internal

......  and that is from tomshardware ...........   ???

Offline scoundrel

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4506
  • Philosophy= Bigger Hammer
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2010, 08:19:56 AM »
you missed the part about the two usb cables .... one for power(the red one) and one for usb stick
Please Donate Today..Or I Will Make You Wish You Had

Offline Dragynn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1436
  • Abide.
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2010, 08:23:00 AM »
USB takes same +5 v and ground provided on the IDE. You can probably hardwire this thing without an adapter and easily make it work.





5 volts, ground, and a couple of data link pairs, easy-peasy man, i've been hacking stuff together like this since I was ten.



« Last Edit: October 18, 2010, 08:45:48 AM by Dragynn »
This aggression will not stand man.

Offline Dragynn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1436
  • Abide.
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2010, 08:32:59 AM »
This aggression will not stand man.

Offline Was_Just19

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6852
  • MLU
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2010, 08:37:47 AM »
you missed the part about the two usb cables .... one for power(the red one) and one for usb stick

No I didn't    :)

There are two USB cables because one USB socket on the PC might not be capable of powering a 2.5" drive, so the second is used to provide extra power that may be needed.

You seem to be missing the point that power is supplied FROM the USB connectors, to the IDE connectors.

Your flash stick does not supply power.
It is highly unlikely that with the IDE connecter attached to a motherboard there would be any power going out on the USB cable.
It would be bad design and potentially dangerous if it did!
If that were the case, then the power from the external PSU in that video would be fed back INTO the PC USB socket!

If I were to attempt it I would get a cheap IDE to USB converter, cut the power wires of the USB cable, apply power to those (at the plug end), attach a female to female USB adaptor to the end and plug in the flash drive to that .........  and then hope for the best.

Care would have to be taken of course to ensure the power was applied correctly as reversing the power could kill the flash stick.

If someone ever gives me one of those cheap adapters I may just try it   ;)

regards.

Offline Dragynn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1436
  • Abide.
Re: USB to IDE mobo connection ??
« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2010, 08:41:17 AM »
I wouldn't even do that, i'd get an IDE cable and hardwire it to a USB cable, plug the stick in there. The IDE supplies the same voltage and plenty more current than what the USB stick would need.
This aggression will not stand man.