KDE4-widgets & multidesktops

[Hawkeye]

I am having an issue at new sessions wherein KDE will not set 'Different Widgets for each Desktop' ??

I have 4 Desktops (each with different Wallpapers and two with different Widgets set) but at each new session these refuse to become active ?  - so at each new session I have the same Wallpaper (from Desktop 4) on all Desktops and therefore no access to the pre-set Widgets on 2 other Desktops.

I have to open 'Configure Desktop > Window Behavior > Virtual Desktops'   and 'un-check' Different Widgets for each Desktop> 'Apply'
then 're-check' Different Widgets for each Desktop> 'Apply' to get things to work.

Can anyone else say that they too have this problem ? - or how may I identify what is going wrong with my setup ?
To me it is as if the software isn't registering that this function is to be called automatically. Is there a config string that I can check ?

Any thoughts appreciated with thanks.

[rubentje1991]

Did you try to delete all the current activities, until you only have one left,

then add them one by one again.....
=> I think it can help....

[Hawkeye]

Thanks for your input rubentje1991
No haven't but will give that a shot - it's a percular problem ? Have had it since I started introducing myself to Plasma
I did at one stage disable everything just about and went back to Compiz    but that's not the point is it?
I initially wanted to use Compiz as it functions just dandy within this 2009 distro and everything works just as it should do - in fact apart from the want to keep updated     - darn it - 2009 is the 'love of my life' almost ( hit on head with shoe ) - pity that we have to move on - you know '95,98,2000,XP's,7 ect. But that is procession.

All my updates have installed without hitch so far (thanks) - couple of other little problems regarding networking & routing not working properly but that's in another post 

Any other thoughts would be appreciated
I'll let you know soon as I get finished with the lost work (darn 2010) here in 2009 



 

[uncleV]

'un-check' ...then 're-check' ... 'Apply' to get things to work.

I have the similar behaviour wit the screensaver.
It often doesn't start and I do the same thing you have to do.
Still examining when or why it "loses it's mind".

[wedgetail]

Hawkeye
We are talking the normal full KDE451 and fully updated and not customised too much 
There has been a number of upgrades since first post has that made any difference to the behaviour?

[Hawkeye]

Thanks for your input wedgeling
Yes, yes and sort of 

The current updates (this new week) I weren't able to get the KDE Base repo's when I tried ? - and I quickly went back to the 'love of my life' and will try again ASAP.
Really do not think that that is the problem as it has been there for a while and I have been hoping that subsequent updates would provide a cure (but, who knows, sometimes an update takes care of a problem - or in some cases provides a new one - Aka Kaffeine and VLC eg back here in 2009)
I am almost at a point of re-installing (scratch) but will dload the latest ISO to do that (rather than build on the earlier 2010.2)

Anyway's, thanks and will keep posting results.

[rubentje1991]

The 4.5.2 KDE is uploaded to the PASS servers (Texstar said that on identi.ca/pclinuxos)...

At the moment, the most recent Livecd is PCLinuxOS 2010.7,
but within a few days, there will be 2010.10 (so a little patience - and you'll get it!)

[exwintech]

Hawkeye - What we actually need is a Script - or better, an Install Option - that gives a setup as similar as now possible to KDE3.x. So one can just have the "working PC" style 4-6-8 Desktops to work across in a "normal Linux way" - similar in User Functions to the KDEs from about Mandrake-7.x onwards to the end of KDE3.x.

Without Wodjits, Wooffenpoofs, Gongazzas, AutoThingummies, Graveyard-Spooks, and Things-that-go-Bump-in-the-Night - popping-up or out - and scrambling one's setup if one inadvertently touches or clicks on any of the aforementioned....

The Evil-Plotters at Redmond must be laughing their Pointy-Little-Heads off, at KDE4.x.....

The Crowning Glory Point of KDE4.x - is that it is not - Yet - bad enough to drive 10-year KDE-ers like me - and from other Forums, many more - to run, in the screaming-horrors - back to XP-Pro SP3.... (There is nothing after that on Windows-side, to interest those who want a Working-Desktop PC.... )

And yes - I do have 2 installs of the unfortunate KDE4.x-infested PCLOS running in V-Box - in a still working very well indeed 2009.2 on KDE3....

Where I have been trying for many months to set up KDE4.x as a plain-vanilla Working PC Enviro with 6 ordinary, standard (as was for KDE for 10 years) - Desktops - without the Wodjits, Wooffenpoofs, Gongazzas, AutoThingummies, etc-etc-etc....

I'm yet to achieve this... And very soon I'm going to have to HDD-install a KDE4.x version - to properly get-at the new versions of Digikam, Kdenlive, Qtpfsgui, Linux DNG-Converter, Gimp-with-G'MIC, and more....

It's the first time in 10 years of Linux - and nearly 5 with PCLOS - that doing a "new" install has given me a sense of gloom and uneasy reluctance.... I do need "all of the KDE things" - it's just unfortunate that they'll now come with the Scatty, Awkward, Difficult, Trendoid, and Bloody-Annoying, KDE4.x....

As a Comparo - KDE4 reminds me of the folk who spend $Thousands to buy a nice DSLR Camera and good Lenses - then only use the Automatic settings and Trendy-Gimmicks - to take the "Snaps" they could with a $250.00 Point-&-Shoot....

Regards, Dave.

[Old-Polack]

Hawkeye - What we actually need is a Script - or better, an Install Option - that gives a setup as similar as now possible to KDE3.x. So one can just have the "working PC" style 4-6-8 Desktops to work across in a "normal Linux way" - similar in User Functions to the KDEs from about Mandrake-7.x onwards to the end of KDE3.x.

Without Wodjits, Wooffenpoofs, Gongazzas, AutoThingummies, Graveyard-Spooks, and Things-that-go-Bump-in-the-Night - popping-up or out - and scrambling one's setup if one inadvertently touches or clicks on any of the aforementioned....

The Evil-Plotters at Redmond must be laughing their Pointy-Little-Heads off, at KDE4.x.....

The Crowning Glory Point of KDE4.x - is that it is not - Yet - bad enough to drive 10-year KDE-ers like me - and from other Forums, many more - to run, in the screaming-horrors - back to XP-Pro SP3.... (There is nothing after that on Windows-side, to interest those who want a Working-Desktop PC.... )

And yes - I do have 2 installs of the unfortunate KDE4.x-infested PCLOS running in V-Box - in a still working very well indeed 2009.2 on KDE3....

Where I have been trying for many months to set up KDE4.x as a plain-vanilla Working PC Enviro with 6 ordinary, standard (as was for KDE for 10 years) - Desktops - without the Wodjits, Wooffenpoofs, Gongazzas, AutoThingummies, etc-etc-etc....

I'm yet to achieve this... And very soon I'm going to have to HDD-install a KDE4.x version - to properly get-at the new versions of Digikam, Kdenlive, Qtpfsgui, Linux DNG-Converter, Gimp-with-G'MIC, and more....

It's the first time in 10 years of Linux - and nearly 5 with PCLOS - that doing a "new" install has given me a sense of gloom and uneasy reluctance.... I do need "all of the KDE things" - it's just unfortunate that they'll now come with the Scatty, Awkward, Difficult, Trendoid, and Bloody-Annoying, KDE4.x....

As a Comparo - KDE4 reminds me of the folk who spend $Thousands to buy a nice DSLR Camera and good Lenses - then only use the Automatic settings and Trendy-Gimmicks - to take the "Snaps" they could with a $250.00 Point-&-Shoot....

Regards, Dave.

Hey Dave, it's been a while. 

I have my KDE 4.5.2 set up as an almost duplicate of my KDE 3.5.10 desktop. The main difference is that the second small panel is at the top of the screen, instead of sitting directly on top of the main panel. Function wise they are pretty much the same. Still have my 20 desktops, and 20 launcher quicklauncher on the lower panel. My taskbar is on the second panel, same as on my KDE 3 desktop. I still mount my CD/DVD disks with desktop icons, ignoring the auto mount efforts from HAL. I have the same icons to watch DVD movies with either Xine or MPlayer, or play audio CDs, with a single click of the Xmms or Audacious icons.

My tray toggle icons are still in the center of the main panel, and I can open either a normal user's terminal or a root terminal from the appropriate icon on the main panel. System tray and clock are in their same relative places on the main panel also. Even the wallpaper is the same. 



For all intents and purposes, this is MY desktop, with only the most minor changes. I can live with it quite happily.

[exwintech]

Old-Polack - Yes, it has been a while.... I'm still on KDE-3, with mklivecd (dvd) - backup. So there hasn't been much of interest to talk about... Just reading about the ongoing hassles folk are having with KDE-4.x is a bit depressing...

Of course, that applies to other Linux places, too. So I've mainly been haunting my 4 Photography Forums, and some news forums.

Natch, as the fully-redesigned, "back to proper Linux" KDE-5.x is probably a lot of weeks away, I'm getting to where I'm going to have to be "assimilated" by the KDE-4-Borg....

Trying to use the current apps in V-Box installs of mish-mashed KDE-4s is rather limiting.

KDE-4 gives a strange impression of being some Corporate Sales-Teams' redoing of the Ford Edsel or the Trabant - with a lot of "shinies and trendies" glued-on to make it at least try to "look nice"...

Perhaps it's the KDE-lot's need to make KDE-4 "Redmond Compatible" for their "KDE Windows Project" - that makes KDE-4 look and feel so "Un-Linuxy".

Linux, particularly the superb PCLOS versions - I've been in since 0.92, onwards - over the years, used to be very stable, reliable, non-twitchy, and particularly in the KDE interfaces, simple, fast, and easy to use.

However - with great reluctance - I'll probably downgrade this PC to KDE-4 with the release of the next ISO... I do need on-HDD for Digikam-etc processing a lot of RAWs I'm doing, as well as the current version of Kdenlive for HD Video activities...

So long as those work, and Gimp with the new G'MIC (and yes, 'Cripple' needs a new name for 'Gimmick', too), and can get OpenOffice installed - that might be okay...

I'll leave 2009.2 KDE-3 dual-booted with XP-Pro SP3 - on the old PC - in case I really get into strife...

Regards, Dave.

[Old-Polack]

exwintech:

I still have my fully upgraded TR5 and TR6 installs on this same hard drive, along with a full KDE4 installation, and a KDE4 MiniMe, that's not so mini anymore. I still use them when I'm not doing forum help, but KDE4 has gotten much better as far as full functionality is concerned. It still has niggles, but it has come a long way.

If you don't get into all the eye candy stuff, which I don't, it's pretty solid. Most of the desktop problems I see are from misconfigurations by users not yet familiar with the new eye candy settings. The biggest problem I've had is with desktop icons not staying put where I want them. This cropped up a couple of upgrades back, and has been partially fixed with the last upgrade. They claimed it was fixed with this upgrade, but I've had them shift once already, since the upgrade, which isn't as bad as three or four times daily, like it was.

Nothing to do with KDE4, but rather the new X server, the nVidia driver for my particular card no longer works, so I'm stuck using the nv driver for the moment, on the 2010 installations. If I want to do anything requiring 3D, I have to do that on my older KDE3 installations. Having both type installations allows me to use the newer apps where I can, and still have the reliability, as well as 3d capacity of the older installations. If your drive is big enough, it's pretty easy to rsync copy the old installation, and have both on the same drive.

[wedgetail]

old-polack
Are you referring to the problem where in my case I try to select an application like kate for example in the menu when I am on dt1 and right click to place it on the desktop and then find it on top of Home in dt5?

Ah yes I am running kde452  

Edit:
I agree on getting into trouble because things are not what they used to be the difference is what is causing me most of my trouble and being conservative of course I don't like any messing with what it ought to be like.  It has not helped me that I get led astray with a lot of "What if I try this... "

At the moment I am doing pretty well without an fstab I think, really ought to fix it. Not sure what I need if for.

[Old-Polack]

old-polack
Are you referring to the problem where in my case I try to select an application like kate for example in the menu when I am on dt1 and right click to place it on the desktop and then find it on top of Home in dt5?

Ah yes I am running kde452  

Edit:
I agree on getting into trouble because things are not what they used to be the difference is what is causing me most of my trouble and being conservative of course I don't like any messing with what it ought to be like.  It has not helped me that I get led astray with a lot of "What if I try this... "

At the moment I am doing pretty well without an fstab I think, really ought to fix it. Not sure what I need if for.

I really hate to do this, but for demonstration purposes, if I change an icon, on one of the desktop launchers, or add a new one, I get this:



Still not fixed with KDE 4.5.2.

[Texstar]

My icons haven't moved once since I placed them on the desktop. 

[Old-Polack]

My icons haven't moved once since I placed them on the desktop.  

Widgets are locked. Icons --> Lock in Place is checked. It's reproducible on command.

If I right click on any one, choose Properties, then click the OK button, without doing anything else; same thing.

If I right click and choose Open With --> Kwrite then change anything in the text, even just add a new line, as soon as I click Save, same thing again.