PCLinuxOS Openbox Bonsai 2010.11<s>.13</s> who wants to test ?

[nixer]

Thanks.  I overlooked this in the config file.  I should have known...

[melodie]

Thanks.  I overlooked this in the config file.  I should have known...

Hi,

It's in the autostart.sh file you need to look.

/home/user/.config/openbox/autostart.sh file is the full path to it.

* autostart.sh : where all is configured to get programs started automatically at login. (Read all the comments, lines starting with '##' or with '#' and you will know much very easily).

* menu.xml : is main menu tree (the one that you can modifye bye hand or with "obmenu" : except that when I launch obmenu I don't understand how that works ! /o\

* rc.xml : contains  default configurations, and one part with "personalized configurations" that you will find while browsing in it. Once used, it's quite self explanatory.

You will find it at the line starting from "    <!-- personalized config -->".

I invite you to read throught the rest as well, then you may find yourself at ease to make it your own.
In case you damage it,in the worse case you will be able to restore it by getting a copy of the former config file which is in /etc/skel/.config/openbox directory (if needed to restore from there check permissions once the file restored to it's relevant home  directory)

If you change menu.xml or rc.xml, you need to reload openbox to get the changes at once : with the right-click menu 'Openbox > Reload Openbox' or, with the command line as user: 'openbox --reconfigure'.

[Was_Just19]

Melodie,
               Just got the chance to do a quick test on LiveUSB. Did not play with the OS or so anything other than change locale and time, then rebooted .............  no delay!

Whatever did it, it is now fine on this PC.

Sorry for the delay in getting to it .........  but it is good news indeed.

EDIT for clarity:

using pclinuxos-openbox-base-10201107.iso
 
regards.

[melodie]

Melodie,
               Just got the chance to do a quick test on LiveUSB. Did not play with the OS or so anything other than change locale and time, then rebooted .............  no delay!

Whatever did it, it is now fine on this PC.

Sorry for the delay in getting to it .........  but it is good news indeed.

regards.

Yess !!!

This is indeed the greatest news.

I also must apologize for the attitude I had some time ago towards this situation, because I was really angry not to be able to find what was missing.

The diff between Zen mini and Openbox Mini Base has helped find a few programs that are likely to help. I don't know which ones either, but I suspect a few, like resmgr (all that are related to communication between dbus and the rest of the system mainly).

Thank you for the good news.

Regards,
Mélodie

PS: I just announcd the Openbox 2010 11, and it has the same packages added in it, so it should also work fine on your usb stick with your install method.

[Was_Just19]

Melodie,
               Just got the chance to do a quick test on LiveUSB. Did not play with the OS or so anything other than change locale and time, then rebooted .............  no delay!

Whatever did it, it is now fine on this PC.

Sorry for the delay in getting to it .........  but it is good news indeed.

regards.

Yess !!!

This is indeed the greatest news.

I also must apologize for the attitude I had some time ago towards this situation, because I was really angry not to be able to find what was missing.

The diff between Zen mini and Openbox Mini Base has helped find a few programs that are likely to help. I don't know which ones either, but I suspect a few, like resmgr (all that are related to communication between dbus and the rest of the system mainly).

Thank you for the good news.

Regards,
Mélodie

PS: I just announcd the Openbox 2010 11, and it has the same packages added in it, so it should also work fine on your usb stick with your install method.

   no prob Melodie .......  what you are doing must get very frustrating at times 

It is impossible to account for all hardware anyway ......  for instance I have one USB flash stick which cannot boot on ONE PC, but is fine on all others I have tried.
Yet that same problem PC will boot another USB stick which came in the same packet as the first one.
Both configured the same and the install done the same using the same ISO.

Nothing is ever going to work well with all hardware.   

BTW I since tried shutdown and reboot a few times and exery time almost instant Off/Reboot.

The flash stick is now being wiped clean for testing of other ISOs.

best of luck with the full ISO.

I look forward to trying it.

regards.

[melodie]

 no prob Melodie .......  what you are doing must get very frustrating at times  

It is impossible to account for all hardware anyway ......  for instance I have one USB flash stick which cannot boot on ONE PC, but is fine on all others I have tried.
Yet that same problem PC will boot another USB stick which came in the same packet as the first one.
Both configured the same and the install done the same using the same ISO.

Nothing is ever going to work well with all hardware.  

BTW I since tried shutdown and reboot a few times and exery time almost instant Off/Reboot.

The flash stick is now being wiped clean for testing of other ISOs.

best of luck with the full ISO.

I look forward to trying it.

regards.

It has been frustrating at times, but the testing team here is excellent, and at the end it's less frustrating that building on a stripped version where I could never know what unwanted leftover was still in there. Add to this it theses weeks has brought us (testing team included) some additional knowledge that can always be reused.

The bug you met with annoyed me a lot, although I know about different hardware story "it can't work same on all machines", because related to power : shutdown and reboot as sensitive features that can be managed differently : here with pam, in other distros with tweaks in sudoers, elsewhere only as root... I thought that your bug could hide a larger problem that could have an influence later at other people's machines, maybe in other features of the system, this is one main reason why I am happy that you announce it now works for you on that one machine as well.

You can try the full iso:
PCLinuxOS Openbox 2010 11 is available

Regards,
Mélodie

[grnich]

I'm downloading it now.  I'll give it a spin via USB flash drive using unetbootin once I have the ISO.

 

[jlf001]

Mélodie,

Fantastic job on PCLinuxOS OpenBox Base 2010107 (or whatever the name will be ), and PCLinuxOS OpenBox 2010.11.  I know you've put a lot of time and effort into both of them.  Congratulations on your success!

Jeff  

[melodie]

Thanks to all, and if any new problem arises, just stumble upon it and jump back here !

[grnich]

Booted up on a LiveUSB using Unetbootin.  First glance everything seems OK.

[Was_Just19]

Hi Melodie,
                   got a little time to check out the Base ISO a bit more.

It failed to "copy2ram" throwing an error about the loop mounting of the file.

I am unsure, because this is a base unit, whether this is of any interest or not.

As a comparison I used the latest KDE Minime, which does "copy2ram" when booting in the same situation.

I will d/load the full version to have a 'play' as soon as I can.
Quite looking forward to it.   

regards.

[melodie]

Hi Melodie,
                   got a little time to check out the Base ISO a bit more.

It failed to "copy2ram" throwing an error about the loop mounting of the file.

I am unsure, because this is a base unit, whether this is of any interest or not.

As a comparison I used the latest KDE Minime, which does "copy2ram" when booting in the same situation.

I will d/load the full version to have a 'play' as soon as I can.
Quite looking forward to it.   

regards.

Hi,

I have not burned isos with small versions. if I remember well you told me once you can't do copy to ram while using usb stick ? Then you have burned an iso of the latest base edition ?

[Was_Just19]

Hi,

I have not burned isos with small versions. if I remember well you told me once you can't do copy to ram while using usb stick ? Then you have burned an iso of the latest base edition ?

I must have been mistaken .......  or I should have said it cannot presently be done when the OS files are renamed, which is what is done with the liveusb creator script - to facilitate the installation of multiple OSs on the one partition.
I am presently investigating means that this limitation might be overcome.

In this case the OS files were not renamed and the 'copy2ram' works for the Minime ISO but not for the Openbox-base ISO that I tested. EDIT   Yes it does!

I ran both from a liveUSB flash stick.

Given the error received it would appear that copy2ram will not be available on a liveCD either.

Again, let me say, as this is a base ISO, I only mentioned it in passing, as I thought it likely it was not important because of the user this ISO is to serve -- people building up their own from a base.

EDIT:  My error .......  it does work!

All is good I had an 'event' which messed things up.

Sorry for the false alarm. 


regards.

[melodie]

Hi,

Same here for the full Openbox as Live CD running with copy to ram option. I just ejected the CD, then started Firefox to come here to tell it. I don't think I want to burn a CD for just 261 MB data for the moment.

Here are a few command lines, before I reboot to the installed version:

[guest@localhost ~]$ mount
/dev/root on / type rootfs (rw)
none on /proc type proc (rw)
none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw)
none on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)
[guest@localhost ~]$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:       1024084     964084      60000          0      25324     792664
-/+ buffers/cache:     146096     877988
Swap:       256012          0     256012
[guest@localhost ~]$ free -m
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:          1000        941         58          0         24        773
-/+ buffers/cache:        143        856
Swap:          250          0        250
[guest@localhost ~]$ cat /proc/swaps
Filename            Type      Size   Used   Priority
/dev/ramzswap0                          partition   256012   0   30
[guest@localhost ~]$ df -m
Filesystem           1M-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/root                  484         5       480   1% /
[guest@localhost ~]$

/ Apart from that : in the final version, I'll add rfkill and eject.

What makes live usb allow to start with copytoram ? In the live usb done by hand on  Fat32 partition you had shown me that I had not got it working.

 

[Was_Just19]

What makes live usb allow to start with copytoram ? In the live usb done by hand on  Fat32 partition you had shown me that I had not got it working.
 

I have never used FAT filesystems for the live media, but would not have expected that to intefere.

I use Grub boot manager ......  do you?


The menu.lst file has an entry like this for the copy2ram on live flash stick ....

title   OpenBox Copy2RAM
kernel (hd0,0)/isolinux/vmlinuz livecd=livecd fromusb copy2ram root=UUID=280a794b-b417-48b4-bee3-9b3584d5fda5 acpi=on vga=791 splash=verbose
initrd (hd0,0)/isolinux/initrd.gz

That is from the working Openbox full OS.
Of course you would need to change the UUID as you know.

The livecd.sqfs and isolinux directories remain unchanged.


The REAL difficulty with this is that a live media will use the first livecd.sqfs file it finds .....  and maybe that is not the one you want.
If that happens then you might try using the
nocd
nohd 
boot codes. I have not tried those as yet but intend to do so shortly.

If they works as I 'think' they were intended, then the optical media and the HDDs should not be searched for the loop file.
As I said I do not know ......  I only came across those two today when looking into the copy2ram situation.
Much testing to be done on that!  

BTW ......  I have a script I am edotong anf testing, from which I did the liveUSB for the full Openbox with Copy2RAM. If you want to give it a try there let me know.

regards.