PCLinuxOS Openbox Bonsai 2010.11<s>.13</s> who wants to test ?

[uncleV]

I will, if you tell me how to do that.

(catched! )

Yes, you caught me.

But for now only:
Do you really promise you'll put it diagonally if I figure out how to do it?

(catched! )

[melodie]

I will, if you tell me how to do that.

(catched! )

Yes, you caught me.

But for now only:
Do you really promise you'll put it diagonally if I figure out how to do it?

Why not ? I'll call it Special UncleV Edition.

(catched! )

Not yet. ;-)

[melodie]

Hi,

I just found out something that could be very interesting. I am now in a live USB session, and that is where I am writing from.

Figure out, I got all : background wallpaper and desktop icon as soon as I logged in !!! Here is my ~/.xsession-errors:

[guest@localhost ~]$ cat .xsession-errors
localhost being added to access control list
** (lxpanel:2627): DEBUG: cache file_name = /home/guest/.cache/menus/a7cabe738af90d5719a123b7735af397
SIOCETHTOOL: Operation not supported
SIOCETHTOOL: Operation not supported
[guest@localhost ~]$

This shows NO PCManFM ERROR !

I will ask the poeple who will test the next to try this, to check if my finding works for all:

At the start when boot menus appear, if you use Grub: Edit the boot line, at the end of line add this : init 3. change the splash=silent for splash=noquiet.

If you use a CD, or Virtualbox, you have the isolinux boot, and there, there is a line to boot in mode "Console", choose this one.

Then boot.

At the end of the boot time you will have just a prompt : write guest for login, validate, write guest for password and BEFORE running startx, go to the .config/openbox directory and edit autostart.sh:

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[guest@localhost ~]$ cd .config/openbox
[guest@localhost ~]$ mcedit autostart.sh
with keyboard arrow go down to the line feh and add a # to comment it out at the beginning of the line, then hit F2 to save the change then F10 to quit the mc editor.

Then only, type startx to start the session. Come back, and tell us the result of this.

It must absolutely be done in a live session, to check this hypothesis : I think that pcmanfm can't start normally because of a certain number of processes that have not finished to start, at the moment when the session is started - when in runlevel 5 -

Why that ? I noticed in one of the tty, just after login with GDM that several processes where still being started and took some time to finish start before offering the login prompt (it might be in tty6). Then this morning, I read in the /etc/rc.sysinit file : that if the boot is not done in runlevel 5 (graphical boot) then SPEEDBOOT is NOT USED. Therefore I think that if what I think is right, then I would just have to ask about to the people knowing the initscripts to learn how to deactivate speedboot properly to solve the problem. And that would be the clean solution I am looking for.

Thanks,
Mélodie.

[uncleV]

melodie,
where can I read about the conception of your Open Box Mini?
Let's say I want to know which kind of programs run bettr in it's environment. Gtk or Qt?
Particularly I wanted to install an image viewer and wondered which of them. By the way which is installed by default?

[uncleV]

I had my desktop background picture installed when I uncommented the two feh lines in autostart.sh.
Now it is:

lxpanel &

# a random desktop background. There can be one only, it
# works with the same command line
# un fond d'écran pris au hasard dans le dossier Fonds
feh --bg-scale "$(find ~/.local/wallpapers -type f)" &
feh --bg-scale "$(find ~/.local/wallpapers -type f |sort -R |tail -1)" &

[melodie]

I had my desktop background picture installed when I uncommented the two feh lines in autostart.sh.
Now it is:

lxpanel &

# a random desktop background. There can be one only, it
# works with the same command line
# un fond d'écran pris au hasard dans le dossier Fonds
feh --bg-scale "$(find ~/.local/wallpapers -type f)" &
feh --bg-scale "$(find ~/.local/wallpapers -type f |sort -R |tail -1)" &

Did you read the comment ? One only ! I know they are there : I put them there (copying from my other distro). The *point is* : if feh starts and not pcmanfm -d, you will have no desktop icons, as feh only manages the background, and you may try as hard as you want to right-click in the lxpanel menus to get an icon on the desktop you won't have it.

I personally don't care about having icons on desktop, but I know many users appreciate them, and I also know they will look nice in a future Edu version.

And mostover, I don't like when the software starts thinking he is the Boss !

[jlf001]

Jeff, the message from .xsession-errors don't show anything abnormal so far. At next version, would you look at it just after the very first login please, and copy it entirely here ? (in code would be ok).

Hi Mélodie,

I just got home from a long day at work.  I'm downloading the latest ISO now.  I'll get back to you.

Jeff

[melodie]

Hi Jeff, hi all,

I have worked on it most of the day doing tests, and bothering my buddies on the chans about that. It appears that to deactivate fastboot, just a "auto" needs to be changed to "no" in /etc/sysconfig/fastboot : it's even written in the file as a comment.
Additionnally, I found this from Mandriva wiki:
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.0_Errata#Sometimes_you_may_see_anomalies_which_may_be_caused_by_speedboot

but alas, that's not what brings the solution, because after I deactivated speedboot, and remastered again, then try the remaster, the problem is still there unchanged.

What is still sure for me is that init 3 makes the trick, and starting from console with startx gives me a working pcmanfm. I still didn't figure out what is so different in runlevel 3 compared to runlevel 5 that causes pcmanfm to crash when started from autostart.sh at first login in live session. The mystery it total.

Shall we soon discover the truth and find the right way to make it work ? We may see that starting from tomorrow, maybe with lots of luck, or if a computer genius comes in for help !!!  

PS: I have posted a message here to ask for help, incase the more advanced people would have a clue.

[jlf001]

Mélodie,

Here's the contents of the .xsession-errors file you wanted after my first boot:

/etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup...
/etc/X11/gdm/Xsession: Setup done, will execute: /usr/bin/ssh-agent -- /usr/share/X11/xdm/Xsession default
localhost being added to access control list
/home/guest/.config/openbox/autostart.sh: line 12:  1960 Segmentation fault      pcmanfm -d
** (lxpanel:1966): DEBUG: cache file_name = /home/guest/.cache/menus/428bd1e323ab13303a9c02c120ea6cac

(openbox:1865): Openbox-WARNING **: Openbox is configured for 4 desktops, but the current session has 1.  Overriding the Openbox configuration.

Note the Segmentation fault.

Jeff

[melodie]

Note the Segmentation fault.

You confirm my finding:

[jlf001]

(Openbox:1865): Openbox-WARNING **: Openbox is configured for 4 desktops, but the current session has 1.  Overriding the Openbox configuration.

Also note the above warning.  I rebooted and selected the openbox session, not the current session.  After logon the background and the My Documents Icon appeared.  No errors or warning were shown in the .xsession-errors file.

Jeff

Edit:  However, upon logout and logon, the volume control icon in the panel is gone and I get the following warning in the .xsession-errors file :

** (process:3028): WARNING **: removed previous socket file

[melodie]

Edit:  However, upon logout and logon, the volume control icon in the panel is gone

Impossible, unless you installed one. I didn't put any volume control icon.  (I may have removed lxpanel's though).

and I get the following warning in the .xsession-errors file :

** (process:3028): WARNING **: removed previous socket file

Normal message. It removes the preceeding socket each time you run a new session.

Openbox is configured for 4 desktops, but the current session has 1.

Same for me. If no solution comes out tomorrow : tint2 + feh ! no more problems.

Regards,
Mélodie

[jlf001]

Impossible, unless you installed one. I didn't put any volume control icon.  (I may have removed lxpanel's though).

Honest, I did not install anything.  I didn't did even check for updates with Synaptic yet.  Also, if I logon as root, it's still there.

Jeff

[melodie]

Impossible, unless you installed one. I didn't put any volume control icon.  (I may have removed lxpanel's though).

Honest, I did not install anything.  I didn't did even check for updates with Synaptic yet.  Also, if I logon as root, it's still there.

Jeff

Could you show me a screenshot ?

[uncleV]

Hi there from here

I am reporting on installed OB Mini, the .iso being the one before the last.
On the login screen there are 9 Session choices, 2 and 8 being named equal Openbox. I tried them with the option "Just for this session".

It's about the screen resolution. Both have "Set up the graphical server" at 800x600, but when I login with choice 8. the resolution looks definitely higher, I think it is 1024x768.
With choices "Last session" and "2. Openbox" the effective resolution looks to be the one set to 800x600.