PCLinuxOS Openbox Bonsai 2010.11<s>.13</s> who wants to test ?

[jlf001]

Therefore if I understand the situation, theses are free drivers under GPL, that are actually seen as nonfree by the package manager ? That is too bad.

I stand corrected, they are under the GPL and they are seen as nonfree by the package manager.  See here:

http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=FAQ&s=license#license_1

Also, thanks for the cleaning lesson.  

Jeff

[melodie]

Therefore if I understand the situation, theses are free drivers under GPL, that are actually seen as nonfree by the package manager ? That is too bad.

I stand corrected, they are under the GPL and they are seen as nonfree by the package manager.  See here:

http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=FAQ&s=license#license_1

Ah.

A. The wireless drivers themselves are licensed under the GPL version 2.

Each of the wireless adapters requires a corresponding microcode or firmware image to be loaded in order to function. The microcode for the ipw3945 driver (ieee80211 based) also requires the use of a user space regulatory daemon. All of those binaries are distributed as binaries under a proprietary, free to redistribute (but not modify), license.

For the ipw2100 and ipw2200, in addition to reading over the terms of the license, we encourage you to read the FAQ questions related to that license.

For the ipw2100 and ipw2200 drivers, you can view the license here.
For the newer projects (ipw3945, iwlwifi, etc.) you can view the license here.

The iwlwifi seem to be free, though I don't see their name explicetely in that page.

Also, thanks for the cleaning lesson.  

Jeff

Did it help ?

[melodie]

Hi,

A new iso is ready for who is willing to continue testing:
pclinuxos-openbox-mini-2010-09-07

Regards,
Mélodie

[uncleV]

So far here my observations for today (yes I know some of them were discissed here):

Installing to 6.5 MB newly created unformatted partition on a 10 years old machine with 512+256 RAM, 1.3 GHz CPU, 1 HDD 80 GB.

I. While in LiveCD session.

1. No background and My Documents folder. Logot/guest login fixed.
2. "Erase all disk" and "Use existing partitions" - dangerous for a newbie. Their default actions are installing over existing installed OS or data partitions. (I know this is not OB feature but...)
3. Some shortcuts of a particular program are overtaken by PCManFM shortcuts. For example Ctrl+S in Leafpad invokes Synaptic instead of saving, as it is shown under File in menu, have to do it by mouse; Ctrl+D in Sakura doesn't do exit but minimises/maximises all windows; Alt+Tab doesn't switch between windows.
4. Default file system for installation is ext2. No choice for another.
5. Installed in 4-5 minutes without glitches.

II. HD installation.

1. No background and My Documents folder. Logot/guest login does not fixed. Starting file manager does not fixed. Root account also without background.
There's no Desktop directory created in /home/<user>. Creating mannually doesnt change background situation but the system puts there pcmanfm.desktop.
2. The same as p.3 above.
3. Opening Midori for the first time gives an error on a page

Error - file:///media/pcobox-2010-7/home/joyce/.config/openbox/rc.xml

The page 'file:///media/pcobox-2010-7/home/joyce/.config/openbox/rc.xml' couldn't be loaded.

Error stating file '/media/pcobox-2010-7/home/joyce/.config/openbox/rc.xml': No such file or directory

4."Desktop Pager Settings" is grayed, inactive. (edit: found that OB Configuration Manager holds it)

[melodie]

Hi UncleV,

1. No background and My Documents folder. Logot/guest login fixed.

Is that the version of September 7th ? I just tried it in Virtualbox and I get the background alright. Just you don't have an icon for desktop at the first login...

2. "Erase all disk" and "Use existing partitions" - dangerous for a newbie. Their default actions are installing over existing installed OS or data partitions. (I know this is not OB feature but...)

This belongs to draklive-install : it's out of my hands. If you want to hack the drakdisk program to change it, though, you are welcome. I would have thought that replacing it with gparted, or maybe even ubiquity, could have been a good idea. ^^
As I am not a programmer, I leave it to other people to dive hands in the code.

I will finish with this : this version is intended to provide a very small version created on a very clean one : a cli iso made by etjr. Once debugged and finalised, do what you want with it ! (under the usual GPL conditions of course).

For Midori you are right, I forgot to erase the directory in /home/guest, I will do it at once.

3. Some shortcuts of a particular program are overtaken by PCManFM shortcuts. For example Ctrl+S in Leafpad invokes Synaptic instead of saving, as it is shown under File in menu, have to do it by mouse; Ctrl+D in Sakura doesn't do exit but minimises/maximises all windows; Alt+Tab doesn't switch between windows.

I didn't change that yet ? I check. → right I changed it. Are you testing the very latest version ? This one ? →
pclinuxos-openbox-mini-2010-09-07.iso

pclinuxos-openbox-mini-2010-09-07.md5

There is still a midori directory in /etc/skel/.config, I just erased it, for next version to come.

4. Default file system for installation is ext2. No choice for another.

pclinuxos-openbox-mini-2010-09-07 in Virtualbox : just installed in ext4. In Virtualbox I always pick "personalized" and create my partitions myself. On real installs, I always use Gparted before installing.

Maybe you had it formatted to ext2, and then you could not get out of the draklive-install anymore ? In this case I sugest you just close it, then restart it and erase whatever partition you need to reformat. Or use cfdisk, or fdisk, or gparted.

II. HD installation.

1. No background and My Documents folder. Logot/guest login does not fixed. Starting file manager does not fixed. Root account also without background.
There's no Desktop directory created in /home/<user>. Creating mannually doesnt change background situation but the system puts there pcmanfm.desktop.
2. The same as p.3 above.

This really looks like the preceeding versions, up to the 2010-09-06. For the 07, I did a tweak to ensure having at least a background without icons, additionnally to the panel.

For the pager, I remove it. If you want to use multidesktop, use shortkeys : Ctrl+Space bar + right or left arrow. *I just wanted a panel offering a menu that works well* (unline the old fbpanel, and I didn't test the new fbpanel as nobody had done configurations for it yet : and I don't have time to learn how to create configuration files for it).

If you wish to have a pager that works well, you need a full lxde, or to create your own version on top of this one in a way or another. (I have tried a xfce4 panel, but I was not satisfied as it needed many more packages to look at least as functional as a lxpanel by itself).

Thanks for this feedback,
Mélodie

[melodie]

I may start being tired... I thought I had removed the pager from the panel and it's still there... I'll leave it for this time, even if you can't change it. Would you try to install lxappearance and configure it there, if it's possible to do so, and tell me how it goes ?

[uncleV]

Hi, melodie!

I forgot to note I'm not with the latest version. I found the way to change the number of virt. desktops.

I know I could install it by "Custom" and/or have formatted the partition to different file systems. But not everybody knows it that's why I pointed at this. May be you have to change the default file system in the first two installing type options to ext3/4.

[melodie]

Hi, melodie!

I forgot to note I'm not with the latest version.

Ok. I'm doing a second version for today now.

I found the way to change the number of virt. desktops.

How did you do that ?

I know I could install it by "Custom" and/or have formatted the partition to different file systems. But not everybody knows it that's why I pointed at this. May be you have to change the default file system in the first two installing type options to ext3/4.

I won't. You are welcome to bring suggestions about this type of matter to general, or any place that seems relevant to you. If this is to be changed, it would be better being changed for all versions starting from the official one, or none.

I take the system as is : from the cli.iso, and bring it to a version very small, as clean as possible and easy to start with for other projects. I try not to get out of this way.

I hope you will understand me.

[melodie]

I just added ntp and ntp-client for the next version.

[uncleV]

I found the way to change the number of virt. desktops.

How did you do that ?

Did it via "Open Box Configuration Manager", there's a choice of the number and names of the desktop (I like the names - terra, water, fire and air )

If I give my suggestions it doesn't mean I insist on them, melodie  I'm just sharing my thoughts at that moment.

My general feeling on OB mini is quite good.
Bravo!
(so far )

[melodie]

I found the way to change the number of virt. desktops.

How did you do that ?

Did it via "Open Box Configuration Manager", there's a choice of the number and names of the desktop (I like the names - terra, water, fire and air )

I thought so. I have seen something promising for the future : the new lxappearance will integrate/or have a plugin to integrade obconf. The lxde devs have really good ideas ! And for the future new stable pcmanfm, there would be something like a "gudisk" sort of light version of gvfs not needed plenty gnome packages, therefore offering the access to the partitions and other peripherals as easily as the old one we are still using. That will be very good !

If I give my suggestions it doesn't mean I insist on them, melodie  I'm just sharing my thoughts at that moment.

It's ok. I prefer to be clear about the aim of this version and about what I am capable and willing to do, or not. This way I'm clear for all who read here as well.

My general feeling on OB mini is quite good.
Bravo!
(so far )

Thank you very much. With your help and the help of the other people testing it's going to be almost perfect, in no time. (Fortunately, because I will have to quit working on it as soon as possible, to get back to personal tasks).

I'll upload the one in creation as soon as it will be finished remastering and announce it at once.

Thanks,
Mélodie

[nixer]

And for the future new stable pcmanfm, there would be something like a "gudisk" sort of light version of gvfs not needed plenty gnome packages, therefore offering the access to the partitions and other peripherals as easily as the old one we are still using. That will be very good !

Oh this would be very good indeed!

But in the meantime, I wanted to report this and I don't think that it has anything to do with your Openbox edition, but others may run into this problem while testing.  I installed dolphin, and all of its dependencies, and it would not start.  I got an error regarding libkonq.so.5 not being found.  So I searched the main forum and found a post regarding this error and the instructions mentioned a konq-plugins program update and a reboot.  I rebooted and it did not work, then I installed the program konq-plugins and it worked.  I mention this in this thread as I have not seen this error message in the KDE version of pclos, just this version.

[melodie]

I installed dolphin, and all of its dependencies, and it would not start.  I got an error regarding libkonq.so.5 not being found.  So I searched the main forum and found a post regarding this error and the instructions mentioned a konq-plugins program update and a reboot.  I rebooted and it did not work, then I installed the program konq-plugins and it worked.  I mention this in this thread as I have not seen this error message in the KDE version of pclos, just this version.

Hi,

Let me see...

[root@localhost ~]# apt-cache search task-kde
task-kde4 - Metapackage for KDE4
task-kde4-extra - Extra Packages for KDE4
task-kde4-minimal - Minimal dependencies needed KDE4
[root@localhost ~]#

Try install task-kde4-minimal, reboot try again and tell us how it goes ? Then you may also want to read this page : http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:KDE/Openbox



Regards,
Mélodie

[melodie]

Hi,

Second new version of the day:
pclinuxos-openbox-mini-2010-09-07_2.iso

pclinuxos-openbox-mini-2010-09-07_2.md5

Regards, and thanks again to all testing them,
Mélodie

[gseaman]

Thanks for your work on this, Melodie! I am giving my wife my desktop machine and putting LXDE on it. This means I get to play with her old emachines (128mb ram, 4mb video!). This is the target machine that I've talked about but didn't have access to fully testing. It's very slow, but runs Windows 98 very well. (Behind a hardware firewall, of course!)  When I am home, I will have the opportunity to play with this more, including installing.

Galen