[SOLVED]Desktop Effects Error- Too Slow?

[T6]

let me rephrase that, you are using a integrated video card or a old ati card, both situations will make you choose a agp card as replacement

agp is a defunct technology so all you will be able to buy is old models still available

time to consider a new pc or at least new mainboard, cpu and ram, possibly hard disk

[Hootiegibbon]

CheeseQueen452,

I would strongly disagree with T6 with regard to it being time to change, especially if I am reading this properly that it is an older ati based card, before I point you in a potential direction I need that confirmed

The command to use is

lspci |grep VGA

Please note the command is case sensitive

The other command to run is the following , but please only post here the (complete) section relating to your card as noted above

lspci -vv

please post back and I may be able to get better performance for you with some system tweaks

Jase

[Old-Polack]

CheeseQueen452,

I would strongly disagree with T6 with regard to it being time to change, especially if I am reading this properly that it is an older ati based card, before I point you in a potential direction I need that confirmed

The command to use is

lspci |grep VGA

Please note the command is case sensitive

The other command to run is the following , but please only post here the (complete) section relating to your card as noted above

lspci -vv

please post back and I may be able to get better performance for you with some system tweaks

Jase

See Reply #15 in this thread.

[T6]

i understand that you don't want to hear that, ideally the hardware that is working ok should keep being used but if the user wants more power and the hardware available can't do more it is a simple/complicate answer

still your suggestion to confirm the video card is good, to confirm if it is or not a ati igp 9100 card

[Hootiegibbon]

Its both entries that are required - in the extended lspci -vv (as per above example) it lists the RAM avaialable to the chip, an igp is an integrated model, that even if it has its own ram may still needto 'borrow some space' from system ram.

Jase

[CheeseQueen452]

Here's what konsole says....

01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 9100 IGP (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
        Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 8107
        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx-
        Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
        Latency: 64 (2000ns min), Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
        Region 0: Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
        Region 1: I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
        Region 2: Memory at fda00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
        Expansion ROM at fd900000 [disabled] [size=128K]
        Capabilities: <access denied>
        Kernel modules: radeonfb

CheeseQueen452,

I would strongly disagree with T6 with regard to it being time to change, especially if I am reading this properly that it is an older ati based card, before I point you in a potential direction I need that confirmed

The command to use is

lspci |grep VGA

Please note the command is case sensitive

The other command to run is the following , but please only post here the (complete) section relating to your card as noted above

lspci -vv

please post back and I may be able to get better performance for you with some system tweaks

Jase

[T6]

i just ran that same command and it reports that i have 256 of ram but i know i have 128, if that is the same in your case you really have a integrated ati 9100 igp with 64 mbs of ram

what i don't understand is the asustek part, the manufacturer who put it on the mainboard perhaps?  in that time asus didn't created much ati cards, only integrated systems

the rest of the info i see there is identical to my own video card

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
        Subsystem: C.P. Technology Co. Ltd CN-AG92E
        Control: I/O+ Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
        Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
        Latency: 32 (2000ns min), Cache Line Size: 32 bytes
        Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 16
        Region 0: Memory at e0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
        Region 1: I/O ports at d000 [size=256]
        Region 2: Memory at f8020000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
        [virtual] Expansion ROM at f8000000 [disabled] [size=128K]
        Capabilities: [58] AGP version 3.0
                Status: RQ=256 Iso- ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA+ ITACoh- GART64- HTrans- 64bit- FW+ AGP3+ Rate=x4,x8
                Command: RQ=32 ArqSz=0 Cal=0 SBA+ AGP+ GART64- 64bit- FW- Rate=x8
        Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2
                Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1+ D2+ AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot-,D3cold-)
                Status: D0 NoSoftRst- PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
        Kernel modules: radeonfb

the command gives more info if run as root

anyone knows what is that 66mhz?  i hope that it is not the gpu speed because it is supposed to run at 200 mhz and memory at 333

[CheeseQueen452]

I also see this:

00:00.0 Host bridge: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon 9100 IGP Host Bridge (rev 02)
        Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device 8107
        Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B- DisINTx-
        Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
        Latency: 64
        Region 0: Memory at f0000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=128M]
        Region 1: Memory at eff00000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
        Capabilities: <access denied>
        Kernel driver in use: agpgart-ati

[T6]

that is the agp port/bridge in the mainboard, the controller and the chipset in your system is all ati

in my case that entry exist but is made by via or amd

did you purchased the system already assembled or did you assembled it?

do you know the model of the pc or mainboard?

in the beginning of the list created by the command lspci -vv should be the mainboard model, can you post it?

[menotu]

what i don't understand is the asustek part, the manufacturer who put it on the mainboard perhaps?  in that time asus didn't created much ati cards, only integrated systems

Any help T6 ?

http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1601

[CheeseQueen452]

Actually, my father built it for me.... I'm not quite that computer savvy Judging by what konsole indicated, my motherboard is an Asus. Not sure what model, but I was told it's a very good one. The lspci -vv command didn't seem to show any info for my motherboard, unless I overlooked it.

that is the agp port/bridge in the mainboard, the controller and the chipset in your system is all ati

in my case that entry exist but is made by via or amd

did you purchased the system already assembled or did you assembled it?

do you know the model of the pc or mainboard?

in the beginning of the list created by the command lspci -vv should be the mainboard model, can you post it?

[T6]

the first entry mentions the chipset used in my case, maybe yours is similar

"my motherboard is an Asus. Not sure what model, but I was told it's a very good one."

that is true for a mainboard 5 or 6 years old, maybe more, possibly confirmed by the link menotu posted

that is why i mention the idea of replace the video card or the whole mainboard

[Hootiegibbon]

CheeseQueen452,

Now we know what your card is ( and it seems to be a APGx4 capable device), we can take steps to tery and improves its performance.

The first step is ot use PCC > Hardware> Set up the graphical server and ensure that ATI Radeo X1950 and earlier is selected at the correct desired resolution and depth fo your display, then apply these and restart X (log out then log back in)

You then need to use Dolphin (or chosen file manager) and navigate to /etc/X11/ and right click on xorg.conf and select root action > edit as root.

Then in the device subsection for the card that reads Driver ati you need to add the following options copy and paste this block  to start from directly under Option DPMS (please include the #out lines as they will assist in identifying what has been added at a later date - if required)

#options added in attempt to improve performance
Option "AccelMethod" "exa" #(can help with composite - comment out if want to use xaa)
Option "AccelDFS" "true" 
Option "BusType" "AGP"     #(use only if internalAGP based card)
Option "AGPMode" "4"   #(can use 8 if card is capable check out result of dmesg |grep agp)
Option "EnableDepthMoves" "on"
Option "FBTexPercent" "80"
Option "BackingStore" "true"
Option "EXAOptimizeMigration" "true"
Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
Option "DRI" "on"
Option "ScalerWidth" "2048"   #Remove/comment out this if screen has pink / discoloured arears)
Option "ColorTiling" "on"
Option "DynamicClocks" "off"
Option "ExaNoComposite" "false"
#options added end

After you have added this information to xorg.conf safe the file and restart X (logi in and then log out )

If you could then generate a copy of the logs by using   cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log >/home/username/Documents/XorgLogOutput.txt  to generate a txt file for us to view for any errors or other inprvements

You can check for improvement by trying a glxgears both before adding and after adding the extra lines (try both with and without compositing )

Please note that these are ATI specific options - and may not work with other cards.

Post back after

BTW T6 - this will work for that 9200 card as well.

Jase

[CheeseQueen452]

In the options dialog for the graphical server, there's a setting for 3D hardware accelleration. Should I turn that off, since I don't have a 3D-compatible video card? Could that be the reason for the problem I'm having?

CheeseQueen452,

Now we know what your card is ( and it seems to be a APGx4 capable device), we can take steps to tery and improves its performance.

The first step is ot use PCC > Hardware> Set up the graphical server and ensure that ATI Radeo X1950 and earlier is selected at the correct desired resolution and depth fo your display, then apply these and restart X (log out then log back in)

You then need to use Dolphin (or chosen file manager) and navigate to /etc/X11/ and right click on xorg.conf and select root action > edit as root.

Then in the device subsection for the card that reads Driver ati you need to add the following options copy and paste this block  to start from directly under Option DPMS (please include the #out lines as they will assist in identifying what has been added at a later date - if required)

#options added in attempt to improve performance
Option "AccelMethod" "exa" #(can help with composite - comment out if want to use xaa)
Option "AccelDFS" "true" 
Option "BusType" "AGP"     #(use only if internalAGP based card)
Option "AGPMode" "4"   #(can use 8 if card is capable check out result of dmesg |grep agp)
Option "EnableDepthMoves" "on"
Option "FBTexPercent" "80"
Option "BackingStore" "true"
Option "EXAOptimizeMigration" "true"
Option "MigrationHeuristic" "greedy"
Option "DRI" "on"
Option "ScalerWidth" "2048"   #Remove/comment out this if screen has pink / discoloured arears)
Option "ColorTiling" "on"
Option "DynamicClocks" "off"
Option "ExaNoComposite" "false"
#options added end

After you have added this information to xorg.conf safe the file and restart X (logi in and then log out )

If you could then generate a copy of the logs by using   cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log >/home/username/Documents/XorgLogOutput.txt  to generate a txt file for us to view for any errors or other inprvements

You can check for improvement by trying a glxgears both before adding and after adding the extra lines (try both with and without compositing )

Please note that these are ATI specific options - and may not work with other cards.

Post back after

BTW T6 - this will work for that 9200 card as well.

Jase

[Hootiegibbon]

CheeseQueen452,

I was not aware that the card was not able to do 3D , I have earlier cards that handle glxgears well, and compositing also.

Keep to the defaults, and then modify xorg.conf as per above post

Jase