[solved] pclos2010.07 bare bones (almost) testing me

[wedgetail]

I have just started up a test system pclos2010.07 no update but with Opera 10.61 installed. For recreation I played around with klipper but do not consider this as having an influence what happened later.

I had opened kwrite from terminal partly to see any messages , but none. I continued making notes when I decided I wanted to install Kate too as I like the 'session' ability to group list of files which I can drage around with me on the desktops.

Started Synaptic as usual selected only Kate, but did notice total download about 20MB which surprised me a little bit but I assumed this was because I had not updated.  

Continued working in kwrite on another desktop until I got interrupted by end of install etc.  I then noticed that my terminal session had been closed/deleted without notice and therefore also content of kwrite.  I could no longer start konsole from panel.

Decided to re-boot.  Now I am dropped back terminal style login, loging ins user/password no problem.

startx and get a nice little message:

Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?) Check your installation.    [OK]

Clickin ok back to login, can go round in circle here.

Command line operation at this stage is fine.

Any suggestions what direction to go? Would like my desktop environment back. More fun to look at  

Edit:
Rule 1 broken: Search Forum.
I will see how I go seems there are two good leads there

[uncleV]

startx and get a nice little message:

Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?) Check your installation.    [OK]

Enough disk space?

[menotu]

Started Synaptic as usual selected only Kate, but did notice total download about 20MB which surprised me a little bit but I assumed this was because I had not updated

That 20MB does seem big, Let me check for you on my system....

Okay, I just opened Synaptic and marked  - kdesdk4-kate (Kate) and it listed 2 items to be installed - kdsdk4-core and kdsdk4-kate and says 6019kB extra space will be used and 1570kB will be downloaded.

Just a thought - mebbe you had some updates included in that?

[uncleV]

menotu,
what if he installs kwrite on a non-KDE PCLOS version?

[wedgetail]

menotu

I thought this was going to be a roll over, I read two topics found in forum pointing towrds /temp full etc.

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[gert@localhost ~]$ df
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdc13             12G  2.2G  9.1G  20% /
[gert@localhost ~]$

I run only single partition systems.

On the Kate install I was a bit surprised when I saw the number MB wanting to download but I dreamed on thinking that if I had not downloaded it wanted some extra libraries (should have checked).

I am inclined to think I may have installed something 'extra', I really did not bother checking, what could go wrong by just installing Kate  

I  will go and check my history.  I will be back, sounds familiar did somebody say that  

[wedgetail]

Now that is a worry, there is no download history since the 15th August, well I am not quite up withe the dates but we are closer to 21st August (Federal Election in Aussi tomorrow).

How will I know what I have installed if no history?  I thought I closed Synaptic down nicely but as I said I did not really pay attention as it seemed such a small job?

Arrrrrgh, what am I talking about, I working on LXDE right now there is no update on this system.   

Ok, via command line where do I find the history on the Bare Bones KDE system? 

[ff103]

Hello wedgeling: the last time I saw a similar message about tmp being full or disk being full, I had tried to do a mklivecd twice, and when I shut down and restarted, I got that message.I had to take the live cd and clean out my tmp folder. hope this helps. 

[wedgetail]

ff103
I use a single partition, /home part of /  and total size 30GB abouts and used is about 2.2GB I am pondering what is going on.

Oh meant to say, the system "has not been used for anything" only minor stuff like installing Opera and that is about it until I tried installing Kate.

I had a look at the partition from LXDE running and with Konq Root, not sure why there was a couple of directories just numbers in the name and Root Konq could not get in still pondering that one.

I need to find out where Synaptic history is kept in the file structure so I go via command line and have look, no problem loging in via terminal mode, just the 'upstairs' is trying to teach me a lesson.

Sidtracked on another problem at the moment.  

uncleV
That would probaly be fine if all the Libraries that kwrite needs are installed, this is a guess.

[wedgetail]

Synaptic history

Well took a little digging, realising those drive partitions need to be named when you have got too many. History logs are found in: /root/.synaptic/log

/root/.synaptic/log

Commit Log for Fri Aug 20 18:07:51 2010

Upgraded the following packages:
kdelibs4 (4.4.5-1pclos2010) to 4.5.0-1pclos2010

Installed the following packages:
kdesdk4-core (4.5.0-1pclos2010)
kdesdk4-kate (4.5.0-1pclos2010)
libdbusmenu-qt2 (0.5.0-1pclos2010)

My guess is that kdesdk4-core is too much for kde4.4.5

I would like to undo the install keeping in mind I have only terminal access, any suggestions?

For exercise I am planning to make up a small text file of rpm query instructions so I can use nano to support my memory by reading this file which I will pace on the partition from where I am running now.

[Bald Brick]

Call to lnusertemp failed (temporary directories full?) Check your installation.    [OK]

That message may mean that one of your temporary directories really is full.

Or (if all your temporary directories are symbolic links to /tmp or subdirectories of /tmp) that one of the links is broken.

Or that there's something wrong with your /tmp directory. Try emptying it. (Not removing it.)

[wedgetail]

blackbird
I follow you partly, as I have been through two topics I found in forum, where you did well.  From those I understood that there was some overflow.

Here I am a bit confused as I have used 2.2GB according to a simple du on having mounted the partition on /here and done du /here (a bit of doubt here as I am a bit weak on the du command) but I listed miles of files each with size plus total at the end (got them in a text file)

Forgot how to easily read the total size of a partition, that was an anoyance, but I am soon going back via terminal for further testing.

going through the logs

Commit Log for Fri Aug 20 18:07:51 2010
Upgraded the following packages:
kdelibs4 (4.4.5-1pclos2010) to 4.5.0-1pclos2010

Installed the following packages:
kdesdk4-core (4.5.0-1pclos2010)
kdesdk4-kate (4.5.0-1pclos2010)
libdbusmenu-qt2 (0.5.0-1pclos2010)


When I look in /var/log/rpmpkgs

kdelibs4-4.4.5-1pclos2010.i586.rpm <--- is in rpmpkgs the only one of above, if the others had updated/installed properly ought they not have shown up?

var/log/syslog
Aug 20 18:26:26 localhost kdm_greet[1001]: Data directory "/var/lib/kdm" not accessible: No such file or directory
Aug 20 18:26:26 localhost kdm: :0[996]: Received unknown or unexpected command -2 from greeter
Aug 20 18:26:26 localhost kdm: :0[996]: Abnormal termination of greeter for display :0, code 127, signal 0

This reminds me of when I lost access in kde 4.5 and had to bypass the greet theme on login, I may be way off but this time X just keels over?

Does this extra information change your thinking?

[wedgetail]

Partition size

GUI looking
Using root konq mode and navigating to the partition holding BareBones

Properties of /tmp says 193 MB

/media/PCLOS2010-Delta (Label of partition)
Device usage: 19GB free of 22.9GB

A bit smaller than I thought, but not out of space and /tmp not very big?

[Bald Brick]

wedgeling,

The program lnusertemp is run at login to create a few links that KDE needs.

Today they might be called
 ~/.kde4/socket-localhost.localdomain (pointing to ~/tmp/ksocket-<username> in your user's home directory),
 ~/.kde4/tmp-localhost.localdomain (pointing to ~/tmp/kde-<username>), and
 ~/.kde4/cache-localhost.localdomain (pointing to /var/tmp/kdecache-<username>).

If the targets don't exist they would also be created. What complicates matters a bit is that while ~/tmp and /var/tmp would typically be symlinks to /tmp they might simply be ordinary directories.

So you could start by checking the three links in ~/.kde4: have they been created and are they really symlinks? If they aren't links, remove them or rename them, and log out and in again so that lnusertemp can recreate them.

If the links look all right, check their targets.

Edit:
Try df instead of du if you just want to know how much free space you have on your partitions.

[kjpetrie]

I have just started up a test system pclos2010.07 no update...

I had opened kwrite from terminal partly to see any messages , but none. I continued making notes when I decided I wanted to install Kate too as I like the 'session' ability to group list of files which I can drage around with me on the desktops.

Started Synaptic as usual selected only Kate, but did notice total download about 20MB which surprised me a little bit but I assumed this was because I had not updated.

There's the problem straight away (my bold). You can't install KDE 4.5 components into KDE 4.4 and expect not to break KDE. You either have to do a full upgrade or not install anything that has been upgraded since the install disc came out.

[wedgetail]

blackbird
I have very carefully checked, with root konqeror mode

file:///home/gert/.kde4/socket-localhost.localdomain --->  /home/gert/tmp/ksocket-gert
~/.kde4/socket-localhost.localdomain (pointing to ~/tmp/ksocket-<username>
~/.kde4/socket-localhost.localdomain (pointing to /home/gert/tmp/ksocket-gert or ~/tmp/ksocket-gert )


file:///home/gert/.kde4/tmp-localhost.localdomain --->  /home/gert/tmp/kde-gert
 ~/.kde4/tmp-localhost.localdomain (pointing to ~/tmp/kde-<username>), and
 ~/.kde4/tmp-localhost.localdomain (pointing to /home/gert/tmp/kde-gert or ~/tmp/kde-gert), and


file:///home/gert/.kde4/cache-localhost.localdomain ---> /var/tmp/kdecache-gert (from properties using root konq)
 ~/.kde4/cache-localhost.localdomain (pointing to /var/tmp/kdecache-<username>).
 ~/.kde4/cache-localhost.localdomain (pointing to /var/tmp/kdecache-gert).

Perhaps a bit overkill but lining it up makes sure I am getting it right.

The directories exist and looks very legitimate, but I do not know what to expect at this stage.

I almost fell into a trap, I was looking at the above files on my working system right now which is a pclos2010.07 LiveCD install fully updated + Opera and Kate hardly anything else.

I have now mounted the pclos2010.07 LiveCD install not updated + Opera + Kate KDE 4.5 via (Dolphin did the mount)
Using double panel in root Konqueror I have compared side by side the directories, they are identical, down to the last file in the subdirectories.

df thanks, the brain started functioning again and I remembered that I use that often, sort of always when fdisk -l  

kjpetrie
I agree with you, it was a poor gamble. I need a very simple pclos2010.07 LiveCD install to test some aspects of printing but finding that the use of Kate's session ability is phenomenal keeping track of several opened text files when moving around on different desktops making notes.  
This partly was why I took the chance, another part I forgot KDE 4.4.5 at the time of install, because my test system 1 is similar but fully updated. The same colouring of the systems is to say the least confusing for me, I should take the time and change some scheme in each.  

With Synaptic on temporary sideline, can I with some simple apt dexterity  undo the few extra files that has been installed?  I am taking the opportunity to learn a bit deeper on this mistake.  Seems excellent chance.