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Back Ups
« on: August 10, 2010, 12:42:12 AM »
When I first installed PCLOS in a dual boot configuration, I continued to save my data files on my Windows hard drive.  Now that I'm becoming more comfortable with PCLOS, I'm saving more of my data files on my Linux drive.  This brings up the issue of making back ups of my data files.  I'm only interested in my data files, because reinstalling software is not a problem.  Windows XP has a decent back up utility that lets one back up and restore data files including directory trees.  I'm sure that somewhere there is an equivalent utility for PCLOS.  I just haven't found it yet.  Can anyone recommend a back up utility that is roughly equivalent to the Windows utility?

Thank you.

Bob
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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 01:53:33 AM »
Take a look at rsync.  This can be run either from the cli, or via a gui front end eg grsync or luckybackup - both available via Synaptic


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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2010, 01:56:07 AM »
Take a look at rsync.  This can be run either from the cli, or via a gui front end eg grsync or luckybackup - both available via Synaptic



Thanks.  I'll check them out.

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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2010, 12:20:31 PM »
1 vote for LuckyBackup  :)

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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2010, 09:47:04 PM »
Take a look at rsync.  This can be run either from the cli, or via a gui front end eg grsync or luckybackup - both available via Synaptic



Grsync and Luckybackup are both front ends for rsync, and rsync isn't exactly what I'm looking for.  Rsync seems to be designed to synchronize files on different systems.  What I'm looking for is the ability to selectively back up and restore individual files & folders to and from another media. (i.e. a hard drive, tape drive, optical disk, etc.)

Thanks for the suggestions, but I'll need to keep looking.

Bob

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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2010, 10:12:31 PM »
Take a look at rsync.  This can be run either from the cli, or via a gui front end eg grsync or luckybackup - both available via Synaptic



Grsync and Luckybackup are both front ends for rsync, and rsync isn't exactly what I'm looking for.  Rsync seems to be designed to synchronize files on different systems.  What I'm looking for is the ability to selectively back up and restore individual files & folders to and from another media. (i.e. a hard drive, tape drive, optical disk, etc.)

Thanks for the suggestions, but I'll need to keep looking.

Bob


Rsync and it's GUI front ends will backup anything to anything, and do so while running a hash on each and every file involved, to check it's integrity, and preserve ownerships, and permissions. Once a backup is made, additional backup runs will copy only the changes made since last time a backup was run, not the entire file load. This can be an entire system, a single directory or a single file. If a backup is interrupted, restarting the backup will pick up at the point where it left off, not at the beginning, so saves time even then.

You state that rsync seems to synchronize files at different locations. That is the very definition of what a backup is. How can it not be what you are looking for?  ???
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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2010, 12:10:21 AM »

What?

Back  up?

Dropbox!

What else?  ???

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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2010, 12:29:00 AM »
You state that rsync seems to synchronize files at different locations. That is the very definition of what a backup is. How can it not be what you are looking for?  ???

Agreed.  However, what does not seem to be possible is to backup anything from another pc on a lan network... which is what is needed for a simple file server - backup arrangement.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2010, 12:37:50 AM by longtom »
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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 12:33:50 AM »

What?

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Dropbox!

What else?  ???
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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2010, 02:22:49 AM »
Take a look at rsync.  This can be run either from the cli, or via a gui front end eg grsync or luckybackup - both available via Synaptic



Grsync and Luckybackup are both front ends for rsync, and rsync isn't exactly what I'm looking for.  Rsync seems to be designed to synchronize files on different systems.  What I'm looking for is the ability to selectively back up and restore individual files & folders to and from another media. (i.e. a hard drive, tape drive, optical disk, etc.)

Thanks for the suggestions, but I'll need to keep looking.

Bob


Rsync and it's GUI front ends will backup anything to anything, and do so while running a hash on each and every file involved, to check it's integrity, and preserve ownerships, and permissions. Once a backup is made, additional backup runs will copy only the changes made since last time a backup was run, not the entire file load. This can be an entire system, a single directory or a single file. If a backup is interrupted, restarting the backup will pick up at the point where it left off, not at the beginning, so saves time even then.

You state that rsync seems to synchronize files at different locations. That is the very definition of what a backup is. How can it not be what you are looking for?  ???

Perhaps I'm not explaining what I'm trying to do very clearly.  Let me try again.

Grsync looked very promising, but I couldn't get it to work the way I wanted.  For example:  My home folder contains fifteen sub-folders and three files.  Some of these sub-folders also have sub-folders.  I would like to backup five of those sub-folders into a compressed backup file on an external hard drive.  I would like to be able to save the selected folders & files as a 'job', so that the next time I do a backup, I don't have to remember which folders & files to select.  Working with the documentation for grsync, I was only able to select one folder at at time.  This will eventually get the job done, but it is not very efficient.  Also if I understood the documentation correctly, rsync is really designed for keeping files synchronized on two or more computers (i.e. your desktop & your notebook); not for making backups.

I hope this helps you understand my problem a little better.

Bob

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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 08:57:34 AM »
You state that rsync seems to synchronize files at different locations. That is the very definition of what a backup is. How can it not be what you are looking for?  ???

Agreed.  However, what does not seem to be possible is to backup anything from another pc on a lan network... which is what is needed for a simple file server - backup arrangement.

Have you read    man rsync   yet? Rsync is what is used to load the repository at ibiblio and sync all the mirrors to it. The rsync man page will make your head spin with all the possibilities presented, with examples.
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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2010, 10:18:07 AM »
You state that rsync seems to synchronize files at different locations. That is the very definition of what a backup is. How can it not be what you are looking for?  ???

Agreed.  However, what does not seem to be possible is to backup anything from another pc on a lan network... which is what is needed for a simple file server - backup arrangement.

Have you read    man rsync   yet? Rsync is what is used to load the repository at ibiblio and sync all the mirrors to it. The rsync man page will make your head spin with all the possibilities presented, with examples.


No manual entry for rsync.
My head is spinning already.  It's a pity the GUI frontends do not appear to make use of this ability.

Would that include syncing files and directories from Windows machines connected to a lan?
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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2010, 10:53:37 AM »

Perhaps I'm not explaining what I'm trying to do very clearly.  Let me try again.

Grsync looked very promising, but I couldn't get it to work the way I wanted.  For example:  My home folder contains fifteen sub-folders and three files.  Some of these sub-folders also have sub-folders.  I would like to backup five of those sub-folders into a compressed backup file on an external hard drive.  I would like to be able to save the selected folders & files as a 'job', so that the next time I do a backup, I don't have to remember which folders & files to select.  Working with the documentation for grsync, I was only able to select one folder at at time.  This will eventually get the job done, but it is not very efficient.  Also if I understood the documentation correctly, rsync is really designed for keeping files synchronized on two or more computers (i.e. your desktop & your notebook); not for making backups.

I hope this helps you understand my problem a little better.

Bob



Try lucky Backup. Here I have in one task selected three sub directories from my /home/polack directory to backup to my external hard drive. There are also three restore functions, one for each. By checking all the directories and running the task all three, including their sub directories, are fully backed up into a single directory on the external drive. If I delete the original directories entirely, uncheck the three backup boxes, and check the three restore boxes, all my files are restored to the /home/polack directory.



I did this on the default task list. You can create as many new task lists (Profiles) as you chose and name them what you will. You can include any number of individual directories from various locations, each as a complete directory, by name, or just the contents of the directory. You can direct the backup to any location you can reach.

I don't normally use this application as I use rsync direct from the command line. I installed it just to run this test. Clicking Help to read the handbook for lucky Backup got nothing, but this app is so drop dead simple, no handbook is really needed. I've done the backup, deleted the originals, and run the restores. Everything works exactly as advertised.
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Re: Back Ups
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2010, 11:07:00 AM »
You state that rsync seems to synchronize files at different locations. That is the very definition of what a backup is. How can it not be what you are looking for?  ???

Agreed.  However, what does not seem to be possible is to backup anything from another pc on a lan network... which is what is needed for a simple file server - backup arrangement.

Have you read    man rsync   yet? Rsync is what is used to load the repository at ibiblio and sync all the mirrors to it. The rsync man page will make your head spin with all the possibilities presented, with examples.


No manual entry for rsync.
My head is spinning already.  It's a pity the GUI frontends do not appear to make use of this ability.

Would that include syncing files and directories from Windows machines connected to a lan?

Install or reinstall rsync from Synaptic. You'll then have the rsync man pages. My guess is that the GUI front ends can in fact do this, you just haven't figured out how yet. Click some buttons and see what's offered.

I don't do Windows, but I suspect rsync will work on any file it sees, from whatever filesystem that can be read by the system.
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