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Offline wedgetail

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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2010, 08:30:25 PM »
bobestes
Ah, understand, no I don't think Kicad is exactly what you need.  I think your problem will be getting symbols for any of the free programs. This is a tough one. I will just leave a reference to CAD in general, more reference to myself really when I find this topic in 6 months and wonder what I did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CAx_companies

I decided to take a big Jump when starting with Linux and looked for CAD programs, I have purchased VariCAD which is 3D and I have come to like it but unless you are a mechanical engineer the symbol's are real problem. I have used it semi architectural and it really is not meant for that so I have had to create my own structural members and symbols. My purchase decision was based on that the program would work in pclos2009 and it did, I have had some fun getting to work in pclos2010-kde but in hindsight a bit of a laugh.  I did learn a lot though when you go outside the Synaptic method of installing. 

VariCAD was a planned learning exercise like moving to Linux also was a learning exercise. Like you I am retired and got really put off MS when Vista came out and I sort of got forced to look at using this.

Of course I am now stuck with a few programs that I can not use in Linux but so be it. Many programs for general use are available and it is more the investment in time to reprogram yourself that is sobering. When starting in Linux I was well aware of this and also that I was likely to get hooked, that has come to pass too. I have had lots of fun learning pclos which I was lucky enough to get onto after 12 months abouts using Mepis. But it has taken me away from "all those other interests" I was planning to spend my retirement on.

Are you planning to 3D visualisation too? Or is it just to make neat documentation drawings of circuit layouts.     ;D
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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2010, 10:55:40 PM »
I would like to find a free Linux program that is good for laying out automotive wiring schematics.  



Don't know it it is free (kinda doubt it) but Lectra CAD has this to say: "Lectra CAD software is also offered to other markets like the aeronautical, furniture and automotive ones. "

Check it out here: http://www.linuxcadsoftwares.com/lectracadsoftware.html


Thanks, I'll check it out.

Bob

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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2010, 10:57:40 PM »
Might also take a look at PCB123.  --ziggy

I will.  Thank you.

Bob


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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2010, 11:52:44 PM »
bobestes
Ah, understand, no I don't think Kicad is exactly what you need.  I think your problem will be getting symbols for any of the free programs. This is a tough one. I will just leave a reference to CAD in general, more reference to myself really when I find this topic in 6 months and wonder what I did.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CAx_companies


That link is a good reference, but it will take some time to completely mine it.

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I decided to take a big Jump when starting with Linux and looked for CAD programs, I have purchased VariCAD which is 3D and I have come to like it but unless you are a mechanical engineer the symbol's are real problem. I have used it semi architectural and it really is not meant for that so I have had to create my own structural members and symbols.


You might want to look at Ashampoo.  There is a free version, and, if I recall correctly, it is architectural.

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My purchase decision was based on that the program would work in pclos2009 and it did, I have had some fun getting to work in pclos2010-kde but in hindsight a bit of a laugh.  I did learn a lot though when you go outside the Synaptic method of installing.

 
Every time I install a tar ball I need to go to the internet for instructions.

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VariCAD was a planned learning exercise like moving to Linux also was a learning exercise. Like you I am retired and got really put off MS when Vista came out and I sort of got forced to look at using this.

Of course I am now stuck with a few programs that I can not use in Linux but so be it. Many programs for general use are available and it is more the investment in time to reprogram yourself that is sobering. When starting in Linux I was well aware of this and also that I was likely to get hooked, that has come to pass too. I have had lots of fun learning pclos which I was lucky enough to get onto after 12 months abouts using Mepis.


I know what you mean.  The more I work with PCLOS the more I like it over Windows.  It does have its idiosyncrasies which must be learned, but it is much more stable than Windows.  Like you, I'm stuck with a few Windows programs like Quicken so I need to keep Windows XP running in a dual boot configuration.  I'm also gradually winning over a friend who has a small computer business on the side.  Using PCLOS and used computer parts he was able to put together a complete computer (i.e. computer, monitor, keyboard, & mouse) with an operating system and an office suite. (OpenOffice.org)  The customer paid $250 for it which included Darren's profit and a $50 bird dog fee for me.  Try to legally do that with Windows and MS Office.

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But it has taken me away from "all those other interests" I was planning to spend my retirement on.
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Being retired, I have all kinds of time to do things, but no money to do them with.  Playing on the computer is relatively inexpensive as long as I stay away from commercial software.   Oh well, the weather forecast indicates that tomorrow might be a good day to go drown some worms.  That will at least get me out of the house.

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Are you planning to 3D visualisation too? Or is it just to make neat documentation drawings of circuit layouts.     ;D



3D might be fun to play around with, but I have no definite plans at this time.  Right now I would like to assist a friend with a good schematic for a custom vehicle he is working on.  He has more money for his hobbies than I do.


Thanks for your comments.

Bob



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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2010, 04:36:07 AM »
Regarding Kicad, it is capable of some excellent results. There is also a kicad forum and some users have
produced some beautifully rendered 3D components, you can see an example of 3D resistors and capacitors
here:

http://www.zen22142.zen.co.uk/Circuits/Audio/ecmmic.html

The components in question were made by Renie Marquet a Brazilian Kicad user,
his homepage below:
http://www.reniemarquet.cjb.net/index_en.html

click kicad area.

A catalog of his components can also be found here:

http://www.reniemarquet.cjb.net/kicad/catalogo6_20080809.pdf

I am sure that everyone will agree he has done an incredible job
and all made with Wings 3D:

http://www.wings3d.com/

Its not in PClinuxOS repos, but the tarfile installs in PClinux no problem.
Hope that helps

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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2010, 05:44:31 AM »
hal8000
That is great information for Linux, a nice hobby program, if I ever get time again I will go back and test this, I have built hundreds of components and footprints for Windows Autotrax a simple DOS program. Could be interesting going back and explore the simple ways again. I used the Medium Size Altium/Protel for a while but the program got too big for my use.

Wings looks very impressive but well beyond my understanding but for some with artistic flair looks very interesting.

Thanks for the links.    :)
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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2010, 08:50:38 AM »
Regarding Kicad, it is capable of some excellent results. There is also a kicad forum and some users have
produced some beautifully rendered 3D components, you can see an example of 3D resistors and capacitors
here:

http://www.zen22142.zen.co.uk/Circuits/Audio/ecmmic.html

The components in question were made by Renie Marquet a Brazilian Kicad user,
his homepage below:
http://www.reniemarquet.cjb.net/index_en.html

click kicad area.

A catalog of his components can also be found here:

http://www.reniemarquet.cjb.net/kicad/catalogo6_20080809.pdf

I am sure that everyone will agree he has done an incredible job
and all made with Wings 3D:

http://www.wings3d.com/

Its not in PClinuxOS repos, but the tarfile installs in PClinux no problem.
Hope that helps




I'll check it out.  Thanks for the info.

Bob

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Re: Kicad - No Libraries Found
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2010, 03:40:36 PM »
Ok, just testing kicad and it appears there are no component libraries with kicad 2010-03-13 on PClinux :(

There has been a later release of kicad 2010-05-05

Until Tex gets some time to sort this out, I have a temporary solution.
Goto the ftp site of kicad :

ftp://iut-tice.ujf-grenoble.fr/cao/

 I have downloaded and tested the file that was built for Cent OS_4.8 which is the following file:

kicad-2010-05-05-BZR2356-stable-CENTOS_4.8.tgz


If you download the file to ~/Downloads

extract it with:


tar xzvf kicad-2010-05-05-BZR2356-stable-CENTOS_4.8.tgz

The tarball will extract a kicad tree under ~/Downloads called kicad

cd into kicad folder

then run with ./bin/kicad

or from home folder
cd ~

execute with

./Downloads/kicad/bin/kicad

Once the official PCLinuxOS version is uploaded (around 82M) to the repos
you can remove the kicad tree from Downloads and it has not affected
any other files on your PCLinuxOS.



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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2010, 07:01:17 PM »
hal8000

I am not quite clear what you are saying.  Do you mean that kicad comes with component libraries, or it should have libraries but for some reason that did not happen (I did look for something like and thought the lack was the catch, but it looked good)

I am curious, to what extent do you use the program, testing, hobby or semi proffesional?    :)
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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2010, 02:35:32 PM »
hal8000

I am not quite clear what you are saying.  Do you mean that kicad comes with component libraries, or it should have libraries but for some reason that did not happen (I did look for something like and thought the lack was the catch, but it looked good)

I am curious, to what extent do you use the program, testing, hobby or semi proffesional?    :)


OK, I've just found out why there are no libraries with kicad, its because they are in a separate package. Install
kicad-library
kicad-doc

from the repo and you have the component libraries and documentation.
Not sure why its done this way, as kicad without libraries, doesn't do much.... but it does split a large download up into
pieces so is probably a good idea for people with slow connections.


I use kicad for hobby and testing mainly, I've never actually made a pcb from its output but many
manufacturers can create a pcb from kicads gerber output format.


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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2010, 08:51:15 PM »
hal8000
Thanks for that information, I am really torn a bit electronics is my big love but I have been sidetracked into computing for many years. I am just scared getting stuck into kicad may end up beeing too costly in time.  I could not help getting in on this one when I saw the mention.

My first thought too was that if there are no libraires, that is a real uphill battle to get results. If you have busy work life on top you really feel how dreadful the amount of time goes by without getting your little you beauty microphone amp going on a 'perfect layout'  :)

What is your impression of its capabilities down below the 10 thou track widths? 
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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2011, 11:50:52 AM »
I am awakening this thread, just to tell that KiCad is actually a very competent program , and I use it professionally every day. It has not been any problems with it before, but now (sincea few  weeks ago) I got the same problem that I canĀ“t launch KiCad, so I suppose there is a change in the repositories. I havn't tried yet to download the missing lib yet, but I will soon do.

Only one issue: The Kicad version from 2010 that comes with PCLinuxOS is outdated and contains a very bad bug, so I am waiting for the latest version(2011.07) . I have suggested the update in the "Package Suggest" forum ....

Here is a pic of a PC-board I made with KiCad:


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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2011, 08:58:34 AM »
Even silk-screened!  Very good!

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Re: Kicad, electrical CAD, will not run
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2011, 05:02:24 PM »
Trying to run KiCad in terminal gave this error:

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[jens@localhost ~]$ kicad
kicad: error while loading shared libraries: libwx_gtk2u_gl-2.8.so.0: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory

Installed everything I could find starting with "libwxgtk" and the number 2.8 (not the -devel)



And now I got a different error:

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[jens@localhost ~]$ kicad
kicad: relocation error: kicad: symbol _ZTI12wxAuiToolBar, version WXU_2.8 not
defined in file libwx_gtk2u_aui-2.8.so.0 with link time reference
[jens@localhost ~]$

 ???

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