(Solved) X server problem on bootup

[Sleepy]

Sleepy, that is what i received to add from Texstar:

edit /boot/grub/menu.lst as root

kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=0a3960fc-c35e-4bba-8424-bb3fe406d648 splash=silent vga=788  vmalloc=256M

Surely yours would need to be kernel (hd0,6)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=96b81b8e-d1da-4031-9bb2-0477ad03a338 splash=silent vga=788  vmalloc=256M

[Texstar]

You just needed to add vmalloc=256M to the end of your existing boot line as highlighted in the example I posted.

[OrdiDoc]

my bad again, i'm back to my main drive but i'll change it again and see it it's going to work. Thanks for your patience 

[OrdiDoc]

Didn't work so i decided to reinstall Zen mini, thanks for your help again, i will try again to install the driver and see if i can make the change in menu.lst, if it's working good if not it's alright, it's my secondary drive (Triple Boot) so i can still use it if needed. 

The confusion for me is that there is more than one OS on this drive and i was adding more lines because it looks like that was the way to go until i realize that every OS is represented in menu.lst. I didn't know that before, now i know 

There is one thing that i don't understand, why the nvidia 6100 is working properly in the full monty version without adding anything in menu.lst but that in ZEN mini it's not.  I was under the impression that the basic drivers and programs were included even if it's a smaller version (like minime which i didn't try yet) with of course gnome desktop and some other differences. It is frustrating to realize that there is more to do with this version and for a newbie like me it means asking questions and come here frequently to bug you over and over.....

[melodie]

Hi,

The difference is in the latest changes done by Texstar to get everything yo work with nvidia graphic cards:
* The actual Minime Kde version online is the pclinuxos-minime-2010.07.iso
* Whereas the Zen Mini version online is the pclinuxos-ZEN-mini-2010.1.iso

So, the option Texstar told you to add you the kernel line in menu.lst file is what Texstar added in the latest version, along with a few other things (all up to date, new kernel... )

Therefore : latest KDE versions work for your machine - Latest Zen version should work if you add the right option.

Full Gnome version also should be going good, as Texstar has also updated it : http://pclinuxos.com/?page_id=184


Your confusion in this problem comes mainly from the fact you have no idea what the diverses parts in the Grub configuration file are meant for.
For example:
root (hd0,0) means the / (root system containing all the system directories) are located on the first hard drive, first partition. The hard drive is in fact on the first port (ide or sata), master in the machine. The second number stands for the partition number, starting from 0 : 0 for first partition, 1 for second, and so on.

The long number after UUID, on the line that starts by "kernel" is related to the unique identifier given to the partition of your hard drive after it was formatted. root=UUID=long_number. This can also be replaced by root=/dev/sda1 (if it's "root (hd0,0)" ) → Grub legacy sees the partitions as 0 = 1 ; 1 = 2... but the kernel sees 1 = 1 : therefore you can have the beginning of a block text for one install looking like this:

title My beloved distro
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro // here you add the vmalloc=256 option
initrd  /boot/initrd.img

Written like this it also works:

title My beloved distro
kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro // here you add the vmalloc=256 option
initrd  (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.img

What changed : instead of writing a line "root (hd0,0)" there is "(hd0,0)" at the beginning of the kernel like and of the initrd line.

May I suggest : If you want to open a thread somewhere about Grub menu.lst config file to be explained how it goes with more details, you would be welcome, and that could also help other beginners to better understand what they are doing while editing this file.

[melodie]

It is frustrating to realize that there is more to do with this version and for a newbie like me it means asking questions and come here frequently to bug you over and over.....

Most people here didn't come to life with the knowledge already written in the brain.

Forums are meant to help and to be helped. When you will have acquired a bit of basic knowledge you will be surprised to see you can help too when you will want to. All you will have to do will be : login, click on the "new messages" link in the upper part of the forum main page, read the titles of the questions and pick up one to read at.

(And helping others is often very good to better one's knowledge as well ! ^^)

[OrdiDoc]

Thanks Melodie, as i said before in another thread, i tried asking questions to some other distro forums before ( i did tried some other distro) and got almost banned for asking basic questions, they were saying that they didn't wanted to spoonfeed newcomers bla bla bla.... but what is the purpose of a forum if you don't want to help.... i find out that here it's not a problem but i realize also that by making basic mistakes could be annoying to some people.

Finally, the problem that i was having could be easily avoided if the same drivers are included in the ZEN mini software for the nvidia 6100, but don't get me wrong here, i'm not an expert in this, i'm only trying to be logical...if that's possible 

[melodie]

Thanks Melodie, as i said before in another thread, i tried asking questions to some other distro forums before ( i did tried some other distro) and got almost banned for asking basic questions, they were saying that they didn't wanted to spoonfeed newcomers bla bla bla.... but what is the purpose of a forum if you don't want to help.... i find out that here it's not a problem but i realize also that by making basic mistakes could be annoying to some people.

I think you started in the french forum, didn't you ? So you may as well come there for tchit-tchat.

Finally, the problem that i was having could be easily avoided if the same drivers are included in the ZEN mini software for the nvidia 6100, but don't get me wrong here, i'm not an expert in this, i'm only trying to be logical...if that's possible 

All the work is done voluntarily. Texstar gets money for his work only with a few ads on the site/forum, and mainly from the donations of the users : donate when you can !

The other versions (else than KDE) are done by volunteers who don't ask anything in return except some feedbacks about their versions. If you can see some versions that are not as up to date as others, you just have to do with that. (Or when you will be able to do so, you can remaster too).

-- Maybe would you be interested by a Zen version up to date in french ? --

[OrdiDoc]

Melodie, i already donated and i think it is important to help when we can, i hope that pclos (and other distro) are going to stay free and by donating i feel that i show encouragement to people that are involved in the process and for me it's important to do it.

You are also right about that we have to use the software as they come. I don't want to have negative thought on how it's working, i just feel that being a newbie it's not always evident as how it is done and how it's perform. With the full monty i didn't have to put more coding at the end of the line so i was surprise about it with the ZEN mini. I'm sure that the people involved in the process of making it available are working hard and again i'm a newbie so there's a lot of things that i don't know 

As for the french version, i always use english software even if i'm a frenchman but i recommend pclos to everybody that i know and even to my clients when i have to repair a BSOD or remove viruses from a Windows base computer. They say that i'm annoying them but maybe they will change eventually  , i keep my fingers cross....

Finally, remastering seems to be a lot of fun, there is so much to learn...

[melodie]

Melodie, i already donated and i think it is important to help when we can, i hope that pclos (and other distro) are going to stay free and by donating i feel that i show encouragement to people that are involved in the process and for me it's important to do it.

I didn't know you had donated, and I didn't want to look like telling you what you have to do. I have no wish to offend you, I want you to know it.

You are also right about that we have to use the software as they come. I don't want to have negative thought on how it's working, i just feel that being a newbie it's not always evident as how it is done and how it's perform. With the full monty i didn't have to put more coding at the end of the line so i was surprise about it with the ZEN mini. I'm sure that the people involved in the process of making it available are working hard and again i'm a newbie so there's a lot of things that i don't know 

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Same for me : there are many things I don't know !

As for the french version, i always use english software even if i'm a frenchman but i recommend pclos to everybody that i know and even to my clients when i have to repair a BSOD or remove viruses from a Windows base computer. They say that i'm annoying them but maybe they will change eventually  , i keep my fingers cross....

I usually don't insist too much on that with people now, I just tell them "we -my boy-friend and I- use GNU/Linux only" and I add "there is no virus". If they stare at me I add "yes, it's not virus sensitive !".

About the french version, I was just saying that because the one I published is fully up to date at the date mentioned on the page where you can get it from, that is July 22nd. (Or maybe the day before, as it takes a night here to upload the iso).

Finally, remastering seems to be a lot of fun, there is so much to learn...

You can give it a try in you own install once this one looking like what you want, with the main configurations and preferred applications installed. Many people do it, and there is a whole forum dedicated to the topic where you will find what and how to do to remaster your own version successfully.

[OrdiDoc]

Thanks Melodie 

[Texstar]

Thanks Melodie, as i said before in another thread, i tried asking questions to some other distro forums before ( i did tried some other distro) and got almost banned for asking basic questions, they were saying that they didn't wanted to spoonfeed newcomers bla bla bla.... but what is the purpose of a forum if you don't want to help.... i find out that here it's not a problem but i realize also that by making basic mistakes could be annoying to some people.

Finally, the problem that i was having could be easily avoided if the same drivers are included in the ZEN mini software for the nvidia 6100, but don't get me wrong here, i'm not an expert in this, i'm only trying to be logical...if that's possible 

I'm very sorry about that. I did ask the remaster people to please leave the drivers on the CD and most have honored my request. It just makes it easier if there is some kind of consistency between the different isos.

[OrdiDoc]

No offense Texstar, Melodie is right by saying not to always expect things but to work with what's there, we are human and that's the way it goes. It makes the learning curve a bit more interesting

A strange thing about that nvidia, i can't post the hardware result for it because i'm on my main drive but it seems that there is a driver already there, the video card is working, i can change the resolution to the one i'm use to but i just can't have the 6100 working like on the full monty. It's not that important and ZEN mini is a nice software to work with.

I'm waiting to put my hands on more drive for my laptop so that i can try all the other version, Enlightment and others....more fun to come

[siamer]

drivers 256.35 from nvidia site working without problems...

[GOTHBITES]

Sleepy, that is what i received to add from Texstar:

edit /boot/grub/menu.lst as root

kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=0a3960fc-c35e-4bba-8424-bb3fe406d648 splash=silent vga=788  vmalloc=256M

Surely yours would need to be kernel (hd0,6)/boot/vmlinuz BOOT_IMAGE=linux root=UUID=96b81b8e-d1da-4031-9bb2-0477ad03a338 splash=silent vga=788  vmalloc=256M

again thank you for this thread