Author Topic: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?  (Read 1725 times)

MrSwampy

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Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« on: May 31, 2010, 08:09:29 AM »
Hey guys and gals!

I'm new to PCLinuxOS, actually I'm pretty new to Linux too. I'm starting a project and would like some advise from you experienced users please.

I've come to PCLinuxOS because of the ability to customise the environment and then create a live CD. Essentially I need to make a light, simple and fast CD, with a few things like Skype, MSN Live Messenger (or Linux equivalent), and perhaps one or two other apps installed. I'd like to be able to customise it so it shows a splash screen instead of the usual desktop at startup, with buttons to choose what you want to do (ie. Firefox/Skype/Messenger/etc.).

As I'm new to Linux, it needs to be relatively easy to customise, and of course run quite fast (on P4 2Ghz machine with 2GB RAM for example).

Which distro should I start with? There are too many choices for me!! :D

Thanks in advance for any advice folks,

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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2010, 10:29:35 AM »
My vote would be to use MiniMe as your base.
"MiniMe is a minimal livecd that is bootable and can be installed. It is designed for advanced users or for users who wish to learn how to customize their system with the applications and support files they want to use. Additional software can be installed through the Synaptic Software Manager (requires network connection). Add your own background, window decorations, web browser client, email client, music client and fully trick out your desktop the way you want it."

Gnome:
http://pclinuxos.com/?page_id=186

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KDE:
http://melodie.tyruiop.org/PCLinuxOS/pclinuxos-minime-2010.iso
« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 10:38:45 AM by 4evergr8ful »
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MrSwampy

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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2010, 10:40:07 AM »
Thanks for your input 4evergr8ful, why would you suggest ZenMiini? Will I have any problems installing Skype, etc. on it?

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Sorry, I might be getting confused! Is MiniMe the same as ZenMini?
« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 10:42:17 AM by MrSwampy »

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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2010, 10:52:33 AM »
I would suggest KDE but some people prefer and or are more familiar with Gnome so I provided links to both just in case. But personally I think KDE is a more advanced, feature rich desktop environment.
There would be no problem installing Skype, etc. on either.
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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2010, 01:25:01 PM »
MrSwampy,
From your first post, it seems you need to learn some things about remastering. Read these:
http://mypclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2761.0
http://mypclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=2529.0

Those will get you started. It would be a good idea to do some research (Google is your friend.) on the Linux filesystem and the apps you want to include, too.


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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2010, 05:52:31 PM »
Thanks 4evergr8ful for the advice, and the PM.
Thanks also to Neal for the links, very useful.

Neal, I've done some research on remastering, that's not really what I need help with (not yet at least!). The main reason for my question was to receive some advice from experienced users on which version of PCLinuxOS to start my build. My requirements are quite specific, but also probably quite simple. I just need advice on which version to start with, and if I'm likely to have more difficulties installing 3rd party applications on some versions more than others.

4evergr8ful has been really helpful, his recommendations on which distro and the differences between KDE and Gnome are exactly the kind of info I need at this early stage of the build.

Sorry if I've posted this topic in the wrong section, I figured it was a good place to start.

Cheers guys.

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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2010, 06:01:22 PM »
LXDE-Mini would meet the need, too.
However, installing third party applications makes your system officially unsupported and could break it. That is what you face, if you get past any dependency issues with those third party apps and get them installed.
We have a Package Suggest section for apps not in our repos.


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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2010, 06:05:01 PM »
Thanks Neal.
What do you mean by dependency issues? What problems am I likely to face installing 3rd party apps?
I was under the impression that if I downloaded the official Skype for Linux (for example) that it would just install and work, no?

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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2010, 06:09:16 PM »
Xfce has a kiosk mode.  But I haven't tried it yet.

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I was under the impression that if I downloaded the official Skype for Linux (for example) that it would just install and work, no?

Depends on if they keep up with us, or we keep up with them.

Oh Darn, I'm in over my own head.  Good Luck Neal!
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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2010, 06:13:43 PM »
MrSwampy, what you are trying to do, is install PCLinuxOS and then transform it into something that it isn't. You would basically be creating your own distro.

Neal is saying that if you install packages from outside the "official" repositories, you are on your own. You must really understand what you are doing to do what you are trying to do.
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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2010, 06:28:30 PM »
MrSwampy, what you are trying to do, is install PCLinuxOS and then transform it into something that it isn't. You would basically be creating your own distro.

Hi Rudge. I'm getting more and more confused here! Is installing Skype on an operating system really transforming it? Surely installing a couple of apps on an existing operating system is nowhere near the same as creating my own distro??

Thanks for the good luck though, from your comments I'm beginning to think I might need it! :)

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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2010, 06:34:26 PM »
I'd like to be able to customise it so it shows a splash screen instead of the usual desktop at startup, with buttons to choose what you want to do (ie. Firefox/Skype/Messenger/etc.).

This is the part I was referring to.

Installing skype can be done from within the repository and poses no problems.


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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2010, 06:41:22 PM »
Dependencies are what a program requires in order to function properly. If, for example, you want to install an app, and it requires an older (or newer) version of a library, you are in for difficulties. Once you start down that road, you enter into a totally different world. Your system is no longer a standard installation. No one will be able to give easy answers to your questions. It will have been changed.
 
An OS is much more than just a core with apps tossed on top of it. Each part of the system is configured to work with the whole system. Once you start installing from outside sources, you start to disrupt the configuration. Sometimes the effect is seen right away. Other times, it will be a slow degradation until the system won't function.

In my previous post, I suggested you research the filesystem. Such knowledge is necessary, if you are going to make changes and maintain your system. Or were you thinking we'd do that? :P
And the filesystem is just the beginning. You need to learn how to package, among other things. I highly recommend you learn all you can.

Package Suggest is the better option for now. (Read and follow the rules.) Up to you, of course.
You're free to do as you choose, of course, but I'd be remiss, if I didn't give you fair warning.


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Re: Making Live CD for Kiosk - Which distro?
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2010, 05:09:04 AM »
Warning duly noted Neal!
Thanks for all your helpful advice mate, I'll study up some more.

Rudge, sorry for the misunderstanding, I see what you mean now.

I guess the next step is to start playing :) I'll keep you updated (and probably be back for more help!)

MrSwampy