NealThanks, did not think of 'stepping'. I am going round picking 0 answers, probably obvious, using LXDE to get a feel for it. The openbox has come up a few times and I was starting to wonder what it was about. I am a sucker for 'intereting' bits.
Must be a slow connection my patience ran out this time but doing as you said did show action, may come back here another time.
