Thanks again for the reply Travis
This is something that I rarely do, hence the need for wysiwyg, I go dizzy looking at all those < /> pairs.
The kde3 Idea is a good one however and I shall look at Quanta there.
I still have a kde3 system and my own local 'frozen' repository.
My kde3 system is like that old coat or pair of slippers that you just know you should have thrown out but you are glad that you didn't.
Especially in this case
Thank you for your input, much appreciated.