Uh.... Konquerer Help?

[Zore The Bore]

I just updated to 2010.

I managed to get Konquerer back as my file manager, but I used to be able to access storage media via the navigation panel while in Konquerer. Now Uh... I don't have that anymore.... How do I get "storage media" to appear in Konquerer Navigation Panel again?

And whuh happened to all of the icon choices? I can't download hardly any icon themes via the KDE theme button thingy in the KDE Control Center... I may have to go back to 2009 if I can't get this up and running with a look and feel that I'm used to.

As a side note, this version of PCLinux makes it AWFULLY hard for me to convince friends to move away from Windows. That functionality with Konquerer and having access to Printers, Storage Media and such made friends less afraid to try Linux.... I'm not sure if 2010 is something I can convince them to try.... I'm not convinced myself right now........

Is there a way I can get Konquerer to work as a file manager just like it did in PCLOS 2007-2009?

Not complaining, but this release has slowed my ability to use my PC down a good 25%.

[muungwana]

in kde3, konqueror was everything plus the kitchen sink. In kde4, it is primarily a web browser and can do rudimentary file management using dolphin kpart.

you should use dolphin as your file manager if you want full file management capabilities.

There are changes in kde4 and it takes some time to get used to it. The transition will be a bit bumpy if you insist on doing everything the exact way you were doing them in kde3. Have an open mind, ask when you dont understand anything and the transition will be tolerable.

[Rudge]

muungwana, That was much more eloquent than what I had typed up. Thanks. 

[Ex Nihilo]

in kde3, konqueror was everything plus the kitchen sink. In kde4, it is primarily a web browser and can do rudimentary file management using dolphin kpart.

you should use dolphin as your file manager if you want full file management capabilities.

Not to hijack this thread, but... are you saying we can dump konq w/o losing functionality if konq is not our web browser? Cause that doesn't seem possible through synaptic... just curious...

Following up on the OP's interest... what does kde4 have to replace konq's storage media and printers functions?.

[muungwana]

i dont think you can uninstall it but you can simply not use it for anything.

removables medias in kde4 are handled by the "places" panel in dolphin(kde4 default file manager) and device notified applet(it lives  on the panel by default but can be added on the desktop)

i am sure pcc can be used to set up printers, dont have one and have no idea how to set one up

[Ex Nihilo]

Thanks.

[Zore The Bore]

With all due respect, this is -A BAD- idea.

The Konquerer Integration -was key- in making PCLinuxOS usable to people I demonstrated it to.

They liked it.

It was easy.

What is being suggested to me is a 'deal with it' mentality, but you don't have to defend the decision to me. The fact of the matter is this:  If the people I show PCLinuxOS to can't figure it out quickly, then they won't use the software. Period.

Don't take my word for it. Ask all of the other failed distros about that one...

No disrespect intended, or implied.

[Rudge]

It's all cool. If you don't want to use the new features and learn some new stuff. Keep using the old stuff. I am sure that everything you are showing your friends is "new" to them. If it's "new" to you too, it makes it that much harder.
Dolphin works as well as anything and learning how to make it work requires some learning.

I am probably out of line here,,, somebody stop me, but a "bad idea" it is not. Like it or not, KDE4 is a reality and Konquerer is not a part of it. KDE's decision, not PClinuxOS's

[muungwana]

what were these people doing with konqueror they cant with dolphin?

The original idea was to make dolphin a file manager and konqueror only a web browser to remove some of the confusions that existed with konqueror because it was both a file manager and a web browser.

One of the problem was the home button, it could be set to a folder path(used as a file manager) or as a home page(used as a web browser) and people will be surfing the web then click on the home button and will be taken to their home directories or browsing their file system and are taken to a web page when hitting the button. You might not have experienced this problem but it existed and it caused confusion. 

It no longer does with dolphin only used as a file manager and konqueror only as a web browser. It doesnt make sense to have a web browser managing removable medias and that functionality was removed

I think noobs are better served by clearly distinguishing what is a web browser and what is a file manager. You seem to disagree, they though otherwise and i agree with them.

[Zore The Bore]

I'm glad we're all talking amongst friends here. I have to keep my comments short, or these posts will end up looking like a book which no one will read.

I teach people how to use computers, and I've been teaching people to use them since I went back to college at PU in Indiana as an adult in 1995. During that time, I also worked in the Engineering Computer Network as a part time tech and I've had more than my fair share of time on Sun and HP Workstations. I'm 40 now, have a BS in EEt, and have built my own boxes since the glorious 386 days. My first Linux install was RH 4.2. I'm no super duper expert, but I'm no noob... That much I can assure you of. I could care less if I ever build another kernel again, though...

This is not correct:

I think noobs are better served by clearly distinguishing what is a web browser and what is a file manager.

Web pages ARE files. Any piece of software on a computer (or the internet computers) is a file. There are user files, driver files, codec files, html files, xml files, php files, application files, kernel files. They are all files. But what I'm talking about is the "My Computer" directory structure option that was viewable in Konquerer that allowed me to look at my entire system at a glance.

Also: With the My Computer option set, I could open an "open", "save", or "save as" window in any application and have essentially the "My Computer" option in the left panel of any of these windows so I could "pick" where to put the file. I partition my drives with a separate /home, /backup, and /storage partition and I put various files in each of them at any given time no matter what application I may be using (Ooffice Writer, GIMP, Calc, etc etc). It's be nice to have that functionality again. Dolphin integration doesn't give me that ease of use right now.

Basically, when using the "My Computer" directory tree structure showing hardware and software in the same tree, Konquerer was the equivalent of Windows 98's "windows explorer" and THAT is what made people relax when I showed them PCLinuxOS and the KDE GUI. People KNOW how to use "My Computer." I need the "My Computer" aspect in Dolphin. Everyday computer users LIKE the concept of "My Computer."

And if you could please give us some decent default icons that would be really great... I feel like I'm back on a Sparc3 running Solaris (  ) .... I'm going to reinstall 2009 as a dual boot with 2010, for now, in hopes that you guys and gals will give this some thought.

I DO think PCLinuxOS is THE BEST windows alternative to noobs. You guys are doing a lot of things that are soooo right for getting Linux into the hands of everyday computer users. Please don't take a step backwards now! And just so everyone knows, I do like a lot of the improvements in KDE4.

And I'd also ask one last thing... I still use Minidisc Players. There is a group that has a working Minidisc program for Linux available now, but it is not ported to PCLinuxOS. I've been waiting for years for this to get developed. It would be much appreciated if it could be added to the repositories.

The info for the group is here:

https://wiki.physik.fu-berlin.de/linux-minidisc/doku.php

I don't know if you can do it, but I would appreciate it if you could. If you can't, it'd be nice to know if I could get help if I try to build it myself. It's been quite a few years since I've done a 'make' install....

Best Regards, my friends!

[muungwana]

does this win98 behavior exist in windows vista and windows7? The essence of your point comes up often enough and another topic came up couple of days ago. Your converts are windows users and you want kde to have windows behaviors to ease their transition. There are good sides to this and there are bad sides to this too. The bad side being kde specifically and linux in general ends up coming out as nothing but a cheap copy of windows and OSX and this is not good. You may not have a problem with this but others do.

change for the sake of change is bad, but copying other systems because new converts are used to behaviors on  their old system is also bad. The sweet spot is somewhere at the middle and hence this debate will never end because every change will raise it up.

icons are a matter of taste, icons that appear to you to be more than perfect will appear as total junk to atleast a single person out there. I think there are icon sets in the repository and at kde-app. If you can not install them, then open another thread and ask for assistance regarding this issue.

I doubt you will get assistance asking for anything new this deep into a thread. You should open another thread and talk about your minidisc issue

[Bald Brick]

This is not correct:

I think noobs are better served by clearly distinguishing what is a web browser and what is a file manager.

Web pages ARE files.

You are so right.

To me the integration of web browser and windows manager in Konqueror is a most useful thing (and one of the reasons I settled on KDE ten years ago). The recent split is a catastrophe.

Since the introduction of KDE4 I've made Opera my main browser (as it's much more versatile than either Konqueror or Firefox); but I've kept Konqueror as my main file manager (as it's still more powerful than Dolphin). I use Dolphin solely for mounting and unmounting HAL handled partitions.

But Konqueror is getting add-ons that may restore it to its former glory. (Have any of you tested sysinfo?)

[menotu]

The Konquerer Integration -was key- in making PCLinuxOS usable to people I demonstrated it to.

They liked it.

It was easy.

It was only easy for your friends to see and use because YOU knew how to use it.

If you begin to have a look at  Dolphins capabilities and the ease with which MOST things can be done I would suggest that it would be easier for new linux users to get to get to grips with.

And I'm writing from the background of REALLY disliking Dolphin when the KDE4 / 2010  versions were first muted - I disliked it intensely, so far that I didn't want to leave 2009.2, but as that was no longer being supported or updated, I tried the KDE4 versions and now I wouldn't go back to 2009.2 - once you get to know the KDE4 desktop its far more rewarding - and believe it not, its pretty darned good.

My tuppence worth    

[Zore The Bore]

It was only easy for your friends to see and use because YOU knew how to use it.

Actually, you are incorrect. I showed them how to turn it on.

They ALREADY KNEW how to use it.

They'd been using something like that since the days of Windows Explorer in Windows 98....

That is the difference. And that is my point.

So, In Dolphin: How do I expand a directory tree in the "Places" pane so I can "JUMP" to my location across a partition and subdirectories? You see, I prefer to plan my route before I 'commit' the location window. How do I do that with Dolphin?

I match your tuppence and raise you two pence.

[muungwana]

So, In Dolphin: How do I expand a directory tree in the "Places" pane so I can "JUMP" to my location across a partition and subdirectories? You see, I prefer to plan my route before I 'commit' the location window. How do I do that with Dolphin?

you cant in the "places" panel but you can in the "folder" panel. You can add "folder" panel by going to "view -> panels" and then click "folders" or just press "F7"