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Offline scbs29

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Two problems, observations and a workround
« on: April 23, 2010, 07:48:20 AM »
Hello all
I am now on the second day of using the new PCLos 2010 KDE4 and so far I have found a couple of problems.
1. Nearly every time I do anything I get a bubble on Notifications and Jobs stating KDE Write daemon. Message from syslogd@localhost.
This is all that I get. I have tried double clicking, clicking left and right on the bubbles but I cannot see anything else. If I open a terminal
I sometimes get a message stating  that a message has been repeated anything up to 20 times, but still no message displayed.
I have tried Configure your system - View and search system logs, but all logs are empty. What are these messages, and
how can I see them ?
2. Select Utilities - Install Video Cards. Get a dialog stating KDEInit could not launch /usr/bin/vit

I also would like My Computer back. Also KPackage or something similar. I know that rpms can be installed from the cli, but this
seems to me a bit of a retrograde step, since many of the comments by people who will not try to use Linux are to do with
having to use the cli. KPackage is a case of a gui being replaced by a cli. Should this not be the other way round ?

I notice that although gedit is available from the repositories kedit is not. I used kedit as a normal notepad type editor in preference
to any of the others. I assume that there is another simple notepad like editor available, could anyone suggest one ? Does gedit
operate like Kedit, if so would it run on KDE ?

When I booted from the LiveCD the left of the taskbar contained the following : Kicker, Device Notifier, Show Desktop, Configure Desktop,
Configure Computer, Dolphin, Synaptic, Desktop Switcher. The right contained Klipper, Metwork, Volume, Notifications and Jobs, Digital
Clock and LogOut/Shutdown.
I then installed from the Live CD, formatting / and not formatting /home.
When I booted up I was surprised to see that the taskbar left contained only Kicker and Desktop Switcher, and the right Klipper,
Network, Volume, Notifications and Jobs and the digital clock. I assume that this was by design, leaving the user to add whatever
they want.
This leads to a further problem for me for which I seem to have found a workround. Of course, it may be that I was doing things
incorrectly and the workround is not necessary.
I like a panel at the bottom of the screen and another panel at the top of the screen. On these panels I put launchers for programs which
I tend to use most often, eg. Firefox, Thunderbird, 2 or 3 Windows programs that I run under Wine.  The problem I had was :
Selecting eg. Kicker, Internet, Firefox and right clicking gives options to Add to Favourites, Add to Panel, Add to Desktop. I wanted to place the
launcher for this on the top panel. Similarly for Thunderbird, Terminal, Windows programs etc. On the bottom panel I like Show Desktop,
Home, Configure, Synaptic.
If Add to Panel is selected, the the launcher is added to the bottom panel. I was unable to find a way to add the launcher to the
top panel. I tried adding the QuickLaunch Widget to the top panel, but although I could add the launchers for the WIndows programs
I could not find a way to change the Icon or anything else about the launcher.
In KDE 3.5 the option existed to add an app to a panel, either a KDE or non-KDE app, which is what I used.
This option does not appear to exist in KDE4. It seems that only Widgets can be added to a panel, which did not help my
requirements. The workround that I used was to open Dolphin, find the program executable (Windows programs) or launcher
(eg. /usr/share/applications/firefox) and drag from Dolphin to the panel. This put the required launcher on the panel and I was
able to change the Icon.

Tried Emerald Theme Manager. Select a theme and the manager disappears.
Try GTk theme switch. Select any theme and Preview. Previews are all the same as the default that was being  used.
Eventually changed them with Configure your desktop - Look and Feel - Windows.

As I said, this is only the second day that I am trying PCLos 2010 and have barely scratched the surface yet. Possibly I will find
more what appear to me to be problems, maybe not.
Overall, though, seems pretty good.
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2010, 08:41:07 AM »

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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2010, 08:43:20 AM »
Thanks for the reply.
I had just found that. I said that my workround may be unnecessary, that I might have it all wrong.
Ah, well, at least I have something working.
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2010, 08:44:13 AM »
KWrite for your notepad (it should be installed on your system - have a look in Main Menu > Editors > )
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2010, 08:47:51 AM »

a msg from "syslogd" suggest the kernel is having issues with one of your hardware devices. open the terminal and type "dmesg" and see if there are any errors or warnings displayed.

system logs are stored at "/var/log/syslog", open the text file while in root mode and look there for any clues.
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2010, 10:24:42 AM »
Thanks for the replies.
The only errors or warnings in dmesg or /var/log/syslog are

Apr 23 15:57:27 localhost klogd: ACPI Warning: Incorrect checksum in table [OEMB] - 9D, should be 8E (20090903/tbutils-314)
Apr 23 15:57:28 localhost klogd: Warning! ehci_hcd should always be loaded before uhci_hcd and ohci_hcd, not after
Apr 23 15:57:46 localhost avahi-daemon[2541]: WARNING: No NSS support for mDNS detected, consider installing nss-mdns!
Apr 23 15:57:28 localhost klogd: ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_PR_.CPU1._PDC] (Node f6c0c180), AE_INVALID_TABLE_LENGTH
Apr 23 15:57:28 localhost klogd: ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_PR_.CPU2._PDC] (Node f6c0c240), AE_INVALID_TABLE_LENGTH

The message from dmesg that keeps repeating is
do_IRQ: 0.83 No irq handler for vector (irq -1)
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2010, 10:26:50 AM »
By the way.
I said that I had the Windows apps in the panel and managed to change the icons for them. I have now discovered that
when I log out and back in again the icons for the apps change to all be the same. So, back to the drawing board unless
anyone has suggestions.
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2010, 10:51:02 AM »

those warning could be harmless or could mean a serious disaster is on its way. Havent seem them before and i have no idea what they mean. You should look into them at some point when you have time. In the mean time, you can unselect "system services notification" in "system tray setting" if you dont want to see them.
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2010, 11:09:49 AM »
Thanks for the reply.
I removed the Notifications and Jobs from the taskbar, but the warnings keep coming up in a different part of the screen.
Also all of the launchers from the right hand side of the taskbar have now disappeared, leaving only the clock.
I have now spent all day trying to sort this out, and I am logging off and doing something else. :-(
At the moment I am feeling like ditching KDE4 and maybe trying PCLos Gnome to see if that is more 'user-friendly'.
Stuart
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2010, 11:21:34 AM »
They disappeared because you removed the tray plasmoid. You were supposed to configure the tray plasmoid not to show message from system services, not removing the plasmoid completely. How else can you have access to applications that live on the tray area without the tray plasmoid?

unlock the desktop and re add the plasmoid back
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2010, 12:21:59 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but is plasmoid another name for widget ?
I tried to add a System Tray widget to the panel, after making sure the widgets were unlocked. The cursor then changed
to a no-entry type sign and my system locked up. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace had no effect and I had to use Alt-Sys Rq-reisub to get out.
I logged back in, tried to add a widget to the panel and there were no widgets shown. After 2 or 3 tries I finally had a list of widgets,
but without the tabs on the top of them. I eventually got to the correct showing of the widgets, tried to add a System Tray widget and was not allowed.
Fair enough that I need to add a plasmoid, but what plasmoid do I need to add ?
How do I add Network, volume control etc icons ? Where are they ?



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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2010, 12:24:24 PM »
I have just had a Wine System Tray appear in the top left hand corner of my screen !
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2010, 12:31:49 PM »

widgets, applets and plasmoids are the same thing. KDE calls them plasmoid, other desktops call them applets and i believe in a strick sense, widgets means something else but most people will understand what you mean if you mention them in this context.

try to rename ".kde/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc" text file to something else, log out and in and see if the default desktop will be recreated. It might take more trouble than its worth trying to readd things if you dont understand how kde4 handles plasmoids
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Re: Two problems, observations and a workround
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2010, 12:38:41 PM »
Can I just check what your last version of PCLOS was?

I'm just wondering if you have any detritus "lingering" around from your previous setup messing things up for you.
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