Repositaries (again) - supporting separate versions

[k88king]

apologies for yet another thread, and apologies if this has been succintly answered elsewhere.

But would it not have been possible to keep the "average user" supported and stable on 2009.2+KDE3.5 by leaving them pointed to the existing repo's and specifically the "distribution setting" retained as was (mine seems to be pclinuxos/2007)?

Could 2010.x+KDE4.x not have been alpha'd/beta'd via a separate repo and or "distribution setting" (e.g. pclinuxos/2010)?

Having established that you can not simply upgrade to 2010 from 2009.x, but the existing repo's have been slightly compromised in the mean time could you not set them back to a known working stable coherent version (i.e. YouCanToo's repo copy) and keep everything 2010 related in a separate repo (area) ? 

I'm sure I am not the only one that needs to stay on KDE3.5 for a variety of reasons for potentially quite a while, and already have lost some functioning apps by updating "the normal way", and now need to find quite some time to backup everything up, find a 2009.2 iso and carefully change where the repo's point too, prey, just to get back to where I was.

I appreciate limited resources, but a stable and maintained current version is IMHO pretty important, and that it should be at least security fix wise maintained for a reasonable period of time after any new version has been released?

[Hootiegibbon]

k88king,

Short answer is no, the repo's can not be turned back intime, this would effect many many installs.

KDE3.5.10 is over and done with by the developers of KDE.

It is unfortunate that a "forced" reinstall (first in 3years) is due to take place, but things have moved fast, and even a non-bleeding edge distro like PCLinuxOS must move forward.

There is an unofficial repo for people to use if they absolutely need to stick with 3.5.

The 2010 repo is held seperatly, and is not for use with 2007-2009.2 releases as it will break these.

All these answers are available on the forum for all to read about with a little work (ie search...)

A question for you though - why the need to stay with kde3?
   
Jase

[T6]

"It is unfortunate that a "forced" reinstall (first in 3years) is due to take place,"

4, for 3 moths for me is 4, 4 years   

"and even a non-bleeding edge distro like PCLinuxOS must move forward."

2 years avoiding this     

[k88king]

<<A question for you though - why the need to stay with kde3? >>
Because it (was) working and if something is not broken ...
The big one stopping us is KPilot (and it's integration to the old KPIM stuff).
We have several Treo's and rely on them heavily, if we can't use them on KDE4 then we will probably have to revert to XP.

[T6]

"Because it (was) working and if something is not broken ..."

kde3 is too old to be supported and is making stop progress in the desktop

"KPilot's hard-working team of 2.5 have been spending their time getting as much done in preparation for KDE4 as possible. KPilot's library, daemon, main UI, and configuration screens have been ported and are operational. Due to a very productive Summer of Code project and lots of Real Life (TM) thrown in, not all of the old conduits have been ported yet, which means that calendar, todo, and address syncing won't be functional until KDE's 4.1 release. The good news is that 3.5.8's KPilot is the most stable release to date. The focus in KPilot for KDE4 has been to clean up as much cruft as possible, to establish a solid foundation that all of the conduits will now share, and to create a new conduit in place to exercise that base code (namely, Bertjan's new keyring conduit)."

http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta3.php

http://cvs.codeyard.net/kpilot/develop.php

i have installed kde4 and in synaptic it is being reported kdepim4 containing among others kpilot so i honestly don't understand what you say

i think it is time for you to test kde4 if you haven't done it yet

[menotu]

We have several Treo's and rely on them heavily, if we can't use them on KDE4 then we will probably have to revert to XP

Possibly consider running KDE3.5.10 inside VirtualBox (whilst running KDE4) and that way you'd have the best of both worlds and still allow your Treos to be used by KDE3.5 in the VBox machine.

Just a thought....

[k88king]

<<
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta3.phpkpi
>>
I get error 404 on that

<<
http://cvs.codeyard.net/kpilot/develop.php
>>
last updates on site appear to be 2007

I have not got the links handy, but there were some postings late last year that kpilot was going to be removed because there was no one left maintaining it. Likewise I have ready a number of things that suggested things with kpilot on KDE4 were not so rosey.

<<
i think it is time for you to test kde4
>>
We have, multiple times, but it was always gestating...

<<
VirtualBox
>>
Will try to find time to That may be a reasonable

[YouCanToo]

<<
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta3.phpkpi

It helps if you have the right URL
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta3.php
NOTE: The missing "KPI" at the very end of the URL. There is no such extension such as phpkpi. No wonder you get an error 404

>>
I get error 404 on that

<<
http://cvs.codeyard.net/kpilot/develop.php
>>
last updates on site appear to be 2007

I have not got the links handy, but there were some postings late last year that kpilot was going to be removed because there was no one left maintaining it. Likewise I have ready a number of things that suggested things with kpilot on KDE4 were not so rosey.

<<
i think it is time for you to test kde4
>>
We have, multiple times, but it was always gestating...

<<
VirtualBox
>>
Will try to find time to That may be a reasonable

[T6]

"No wonder you get an error 404"

i didn't posted with those letters and i tested the link when i posted  

i just edited the link and it adds the letters again 

[kjpetrie]

How very odd. Can I put http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta3.php?

Ah yes, that's it!

[T6]

 

[Old-Polack]

When you fix the link, you have to fix the right part of the link... done now.

My question is, why post a link with three year old information, in the first place?

[T6]

"When you fix the link, you have to fix the right part of the link... done now."

i forgot to do that   

"My question is, why post a link with three year old information, in the first place?"

it also say it is kde4 beta but, it shows lots of progress in this particular app, it supports the fact that the app in question exists for kde4 and possibly should be enough(maybe maybe  ) for most users since it has been available for more than two years

now, since i don't have a device compatible with this app, no idea if ti works or not, anyone with the right hardware should confirm or deny the status of the app

[Old-Polack]

"My question is, why post a link with three year old information, in the first place?"

it also say it is kde4 beta but, it shows lots of progress in this particular app, it supports the fact that the app in question exists for kde4 and possibly should be enough(maybe maybe  ) for most users since it has been available for more than two years

As k88king points out, it's also possible that the app is no longer being maintained and may possibly be dropped altogether. Pre KDE 4.0 information can no longer be considered current, either as to status or availability. The link is simply too old to be reliable.

now, since i don't have a device compatible with this app, no idea if ti works or not, anyone with the right hardware should confirm or deny the status of the app

Not having the hardware myself, so no way of testing it, is why I didn't post any links. I leave that to people that actually have the hardware, and can test the veracity of what they post.  

[T6]

"The link is simply too old to be reliable."

i used it to support the existence of the app and the second link is form the cvs and i know that it talks about 2007, i posted it

look at this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KPilot

kde4.2

if you want more info, well, that is as far as i can go in information because not much people had palm devices, palm in general is doing the dinosaur route, iphone, android and windows mobile killed it