Author Topic: Partiton image - Does it? Apparently yes! - SOLVED.  (Read 1307 times)

Offline microbrain

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Partiton image - Does it? Apparently yes! - SOLVED.
« on: February 01, 2010, 04:18:25 AM »
Hmm,,,

One of things I need to learn to do in Linux before completely moving away from U-no-who is to be able to reliably back-up and restore.  I have just tried Partimage which looked an attractive prospect but...

Having set up the options to backup the main unix partition   and then hit the 'go' button, the PC threw a message back at me "Can't back up a mounted drive, please unmount"  - OK  then, unmount methinks  BUT the PC then throws up "Can't unmount cos you are using this drive"  - OK try another drive...  same thing.......

Anybody tell me what I missed?

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« Last Edit: February 02, 2010, 05:01:19 PM by microbrain »

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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2010, 06:58:17 AM »
I downloaded, made a disk and ran it - could not see anything to do with backing up my PC though.

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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2010, 08:06:37 AM »
"If there were no change, there would be no butterflies" - Walt Disney

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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2010, 11:42:00 AM »
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One of things I need to learn to do in Linux before completely moving away from U-no-who is to be able to reliably back-up and restore.  I have just tried Partimage which looked an attractive prospect but...

Two (more) good alternatives to check out are grsync (a gui front end to rsync) and Clonezilla


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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2010, 11:53:53 AM »
Yes, it helps,

It tells me that linux is not yet to be trusted with my archived data.  I'll try a fourth method (clonezilla) then move on to somthing else (like trying to get my canon scanner working)...

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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2010, 02:44:05 PM »
Clonzilla backed everything up (I Hope) without any problems, thought to try a restore now is not needed. I note that Clonezilla looks as though it was written to work rather look pretty - so I'll use my spare PC to play around.

Thanks again guys,  Although a little short tempered in my old age and often sarcastic I really appreciate the help.

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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2010, 03:01:14 PM »
Glad you found a solution that makes you happy.

It tells me that linux is not yet to be trusted with my archived data...
I went back and looked high and low, but I did not see where it said that! ;D OTOH, I don't trust NTFS with my data!
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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2010, 03:16:09 PM »
Many years ago, I was a senior systems analyst for a fortune 500 company.

I wrote applications that ran on mainframe computers.

There was a new craze taking hold among middle managers of buying their own personal desktop computers that they then wanted to interface with stuff running on the mainframes.

Since I was one of the few people who had built and run my own computer at home, I was the guy who had to figure out what was happening when (not if) these guys ran into problems.

When the first IBM/Windows machines showed up due to an influx of good old boys into upper management who had previously worked for IBM, things got interesting fast.

People who knew little about computers now had them on their desks and frequently scrambled their data.

They each had to learn the hard way at least once and then bought a back up system.

The thing is that they all assumed that installing said system and going through what they understood to be the process to safely back up their machines made them safe.

They never experimented with restoring from the system that they bought.

In many cases, when the inevitable failure occurred, they discovered that they had not used it right and actually had no back up.

The most annoying situations were the ones who thought they knew what they were doing and took my advice and made more than one back up.

It was really frustrating when they then crashed their system and tried to restore using both back up disks before calling me.

By that time, they had made the same mistake that wiped the original data twice with the back up in the drive and wiped them out also.

The point of all  this is that if you do a back up and have no experience with restoring from it or testing that the back up is valid, YOU HAVE NO BACK UP!

If your data is critical, please do experiment with another machine until you can restore your data in your sleep.

The time to learn is not after the crash.

OK, I am stepping off of my soap box.

Rant over.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2010, 03:18:09 PM by ThirdOfSix »

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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2010, 05:16:44 PM »
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If your data is critical, please do experiment with another machine until you can restore your data in your sleep.

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PING at http://ping.windowsdream.com/ping.html might be able to assist you.  I have used it to image/restore across machines in the home network but it works on a local machine as well.
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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2010, 09:26:33 PM »
Clonezilla is excellent and I use it constantly. My backup procedure is very simple in home/william I have a folder that is AAA_PCLOS09-2 where all my work goes to and I just copy that to a second hard drive when I want to back up something new but once a month I go into Synaptic 'Relaod/Update' and then immediately use Clonezilla to the second hard drive. One little trick I do is before I image the OS with Clonezilla I rename the Trash can Trash and the date. Here in the Great South Land I simply use A to L (A January - L December) with the date format used here in the antipodes 'Trach A010110'. Makes life very easy to know what Clonezilla it is. Hope it helps but I can assure everyone it handles ext and ntfs with aplomb.
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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 02:40:44 AM »
Just caught this thread, I've been using the PartedMagic and Partition Image (also known as partimage) for several years, both backup and restore have always been faultless. This year I've started to experiment with CloneZilla, so far it all looks good.

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Re: Partiton image - Does it?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2010, 05:31:35 AM »
Many years ago, I was a senior systems analyst for a fortune 500 company.

I wrote applications that ran on mainframe computers.

There was a new craze taking hold among middle managers of buying their own personal desktop computers that they then wanted to interface with stuff running on the mainframes.

Since I was one of the few people who had built and run my own computer at home, I was the guy who had to figure out what was happening when (not if) these guys ran into problems.

When the first IBM/Windows machines showed up due to an influx of good old boys into upper management who had previously worked for IBM, things got interesting fast.

People who knew little about computers now had them on their desks and frequently scrambled their data.

They each had to learn the hard way at least once and then bought a back up system.

The thing is that they all assumed that installing said system and going through what they understood to be the process to safely back up their machines made them safe.

They never experimented with restoring from the system that they bought.

In many cases, when the inevitable failure occurred, they discovered that they had not used it right and actually had no back up.

The most annoying situations were the ones who thought they knew what they were doing and took my advice and made more than one back up.

It was really frustrating when they then crashed their system and tried to restore using both back up disks before calling me.

By that time, they had made the same mistake that wiped the original data twice with the back up in the drive and wiped them out also.

The point of all  this is that if you do a back up and have no experience with restoring from it or testing that the back up is valid, YOU HAVE NO BACK UP!

If your data is critical, please do experiment with another machine until you can restore your data in your sleep.

The time to learn is not after the crash.

OK, I am stepping off of my soap box.

Rant over.

I agree 100% - Today I have used the spare PC  and at the third attempt to back uip (using clonezilla)  I was able to restore the original settings - I finally settled for the option that clones the whole drive. a few teething troubles but have now run 2 complete ' Back-up / destroy original / restore'  tests  which ran flawlessly - noted all the settings and placed those (with an ISO clonezilla image) onto the backup drive, thanks again to all

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« Last Edit: February 02, 2010, 05:33:09 AM by microbrain »