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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2010, 12:15:40 PM »
Inkscape now taking 12 secs, Gimp 9 secs.

Similar specs to yours except 1.6GHz and ATI Rage Mobility 7500 32MB


I'm really quite lost with this turn of the conversation, but I am very much interested in optimising for speed on a 'low-end' machine - could you suggest a brief step-by-step, please?


What I can tell You as an advise is to wait. KDE4 is still IMHO fresh. Its new. Its buggy.


I wish I could, but they've killed KDE3 already - and PCLinuxOS is ditching KDE3 as well now, apparently.


Everyone has known for sometime now this was going to happen!  PCLOS choose to support KDE3 till the last minute, something the other distros bailed out one long before. It is silly to assume that the PCLOS team should keep supporting KDE3 after the developers themselves have moved on. Whither you or I like it or not KDE4 is here.

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I wish that there was some simple solution for your problem but I know none. My advise is to register with KDE forum at http://forum.kde.org and find appropriate section and start topic there.



At this point, I am so angered by KDE that I'm not sure if that would be productive or not.  I think it far more likely that they'd either ignore me completely, or else tell me that it's bound to be a problem with the way that the PCLinuxOS team implemented it.  I am an older person, cranky and opinionated; well-grounded in habit and highly resistant towards unnecessary change - and I view the move that KDE has made as being a heinous and highly-irresponsible act indeed.


Change is always going to take place. Sometime we see it as good and sometimes we can't see the reasoning for it at all.

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 In the Windows world, this would be comparable to Microsoft announcing a complete abandonment of all XP support on the day that Vista was released - indeed; KDE4 is the linux Vista equivalent, only even more so.


In your opinion!  Please, we all know what opinions are like :)

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 This move should drive away the n00bs for at least a couple more years, I think, by which time the entire desktop computing paradigm shall likely be rendered obsolete anyway.


Again in your opinion.

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I am simply attempting to get as much out of it as I may in the meantime.
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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2010, 12:23:49 PM »
Open Synaptic and Search for gtk-qt-engine, if you don't already have it then install it, it will uninstall oxygen-molecule.

Done now - however; oxygen-molecule does not seem to have been installed in the first place, as the gtk-qt-engine install didn't remove anything, and a subsequent check in Synaptic showed oxygen-molecule to be unchecked already.

ABOUT the GTK theme and speeding up GTK applications...

Open synaptic package manager and search for package gtk-qt-engine
Mark it for installation (oxygen-molecule will be removed with it)
Reboot
Open KMenu > System > Configuration > Configure Your Desktop
Find and Click Look and Feel > Appearance > Gtk Themes and Fonts
in GTK Styles choose Use another style and pick QtCurve
in GTK Fonts choose Use KDE fonts in my GTK applications
Click Install scrolbar fix below
Click apply
Reboot or restart X server.

Try opening Firefox / Synaptic / Gimp / Inkscape... See the difference in speed? Like it? If You do... Keep it if no...

Open synaptic. Find and install GTK-Oxygen-Molecule (gtk-qt-engine will be removed) and reboot. This will bring You back where You are now.

Andy

You need to reboot / restart X for the gtk-qt-engine to work... Since You had no gtk-oxygen-molecule / gtk-qt-engine installed You may not feel the speed boost BUT You may notice better gtk integration with kde...

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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2010, 01:34:21 PM »
the negative approach of this post has made it now useless

if you want to see everything failing, you won't be disappointed

i used kde4 with a optimistic approach and the only problem i had was some details with amarok and i don't use it, just was testing it

to be honest this is glass of water half empty with 20 people drowning
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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2010, 01:37:39 PM »
I do understand what You're feeling 100%. 2 years ago I was starting with Linux and I was very very very frustrated user. I know that You are not a troll that just complains for no reason.

Every complaint I have made regarding linux has been truthful, and valid - to me.  Others seldom understand however, so I'm branded as a troll regardless, and subsequently drowned out by the fanbois and/or the CLI-hardliners.

You just want to have things done and You're annoyed by the fact that You cant achieve this goal. I believe that I have exploaded few times in my noobie times myself and that now it does not happen anymore. Why? Because the fact that I am getting angry / cranky / grumpy / etc... changes nothing... Well nothing good comes from it anyway.

On that point, I'm afraid I would have to disagree somewhat though - for throughout it all I have learned that my forum questions are disregarded otherwise.  Simple questions do get answered - but my questions seldom turn out to be simple, or even vaguely similar to what others wish to do anyway.  Therefore the 'squeaky wheel' gets the grease - and yes; even a total a-hole still gets answers (it's simply reverse psychology, really - challenge the fanbois a bit and you will get flamed, but amidst the ashes and general wreckage the answers lie, regardless.).

Take this whole taskbar transparency question, for instance; how 'simple' did this one turn out to be?  How many others in this thread are even remotely curious, about how to accomplish the same thing?  I have a definite need for such - but others don't, so unless a GUI dev drops by and admonishes/enlightens me, I'm not holding much hope that this thread shall ever see a [SOLVED] tag tacked onto it.

What You have to understand is that the problem You are experiencing is a change. Change is a dangerous game but its inevitable... I loved MS Windows 2000 and I disliked XP and hated the followers... They were all changing. I could do nothing about it. I once thought that KDE4 is a Linux Vista version. No its not... Trust me. Its just a matter of time and we will have another upgrade. Then another. Then another... And then someone will say ah KDE4 is stable at last. Everyone will be happy and someone will say GUYS we have a great news. KDE5 beta is out... And some of us will be happy as a puppies and some of us will be complaining BUT before this happens KDE4 will be rock solid. Trust me.

Like KDE3 was "rock solid"?  That's not really so true, is it - after all; it too had plenty of unresolved issues and problems.  KDE 3.5.9, for instance, was about as good as they made it - 3.5.10, on the other hand, was more problematic.  But hey!  KDE4 is now here to... ummm... 'save' us?  Again, not really.  I predict that by the time KDE5 rolls around (if ever), KDE4 will be in about as much disarray as KDE3 was - or possibly even worse.

I've been taking looks at linux since its beginning.  I had a brief go at it once some years back, with Slackware 2.4 - but; like Win2KPro, it couldn't do what I needed at the time anyway.  Neither could RedHat 7.0, nor any of the other few distros I had on hand at that time... linux was far too multimedia-deficient then, so I had to remain with Win9x.  Win2KPro on the other hand was severely driver-deficient, and it only confused me anyway - at the time, to me it seemed that to force Windows onto an old Kaypro would have been an insult towards Alan Kay.  ;-)

No - I stayed with Win9x until about four or five years ago, and then went straight from that into linux.


Hang in there just like I am. We will get what we want eventually.

That explains why Windows still rules the desktop arena - and also why business (other than large Corporations) hasn't adopted it in a significant way.  Some people really can't wait, you see - they need something that works now, and shall continue working for at least a decade.  Linux, unfortunately, doesn't work that way - so outside of the server room door, it is continually losing.  KDE4 will simply ensure that this trend continues, I think.

Open synaptic package manager and search for package gtk-qt-engine
Mark it for installation (oxygen-molecule will be removed with it)
Reboot
Open KMenu > System > Configuration > Configure Your Desktop
Find and Click Look and Feel > Appearance > Gtk Themes and Fonts
in GTK Styles choose Use another style and pick QtCurve
in GTK Fonts choose Use KDE fonts in my GTK applications
Click Install scrolbar fix below
Click apply
Reboot or restart X server.

Try opening Firefox / Synaptic / Gimp / Inkscape... See the difference in speed?

From a full reboot:  Firefox; opens up tabs in 20 seconds; fully-refreshed in a bit over a minute.  GIMP; fully-opened in 43 seconds.  Inkscape; fully-opened in 58 seconds, does not shut down quickly or cleanly (sits there for a bit, then up pops the 'Terminate?' message).

"in GTK Styles choose Use another style and pick QtCurve" - that choice was not available (please refer to attached image), so I chose 'QT4' instead.

Like it? If You do... Keep it if no...

Open synaptic. Find and install GTK-Oxygen-Molecule (gtk-qt-engine will be removed) and reboot. This will bring You back where You are now.

No, not really - unless I've cocked up and got it wrong, there seems no real improvement; indeed, it now seems more degarded, if anything.  Scrollbars are not the only thing that changed - this Reply entry textbox, for instance, is now blue instead of white (but KSnapshot won't capture it!).

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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2010, 01:42:52 PM »
the negative approach of this post has made it now useless

if you want to see everything failing, you won't be disappointed

i used kde4 with a optimistic approach and the only problem i had was some details with amarok and i don't use it, just was testing it

to be honest this is glass of water half empty with 20 people drowning

It hasn't been useless for me, far from it, and I intend to enthusiastically wait for the next wave of KDE4.

It's nice that you have had no problems with KDE4, but I have had some, I still like it because I like the newest and latest stuff.

In fact I like it (and PCLOS) so much that my GF has started looking over my shoulder and asking can she have PCLOS on her newish vista Dell laptop :)

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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2010, 01:55:33 PM »
this post has become happy again, the sun shines over my city again  ;D
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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2010, 01:57:23 PM »
the negative approach of this post has made it now useless

I'm not quite sure why you would see it that way, T6 - for I've certainly learned a few things from it already, so I would't brand it as being "useless", really.

if you want to see everything failing, you won't be disappointed

No, it's not like that at all.  I don't want to see it failing; I want to see it succeed!  But I don't see how it shall ever succeed; it's too late already.  The dies were cast, and the KDE team chose its direction - but unfortunately not ours, nor mine.  And to do that by killing KDE3 entirely, instead of transitioning over properly, really does seem to me to be a very serious irresponsibility.  As I implied to Andy; I don't see linux in a 'hobbyist' sense at all, and I take it far more seriously.  VERY seriously, because I depend on it entirely - for everything, including my current employment.  I have nearly been fired because of it, yet still I persist in using it anyway - why do you think I should be bothering?  Do I really seem as no more than a mere dilettante, simply because I am 'only' a user and so do not know how to bend it to my way completely?  Do you really think I have all the time on the planet, or something?  I _need_ to get things done, dang it!!

That's why I'm here, asking these futile questions.

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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2010, 02:31:32 PM »
I have no idea what settings I have on this PC but the taskbar/tray is as near transparent as I have ever had one ...... yet it does seem to have some colour in it with different wallpapers.

Anyway this is what it looks like with a browser page behind it ...



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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2010, 02:45:09 PM »
I have no idea what settings I have on this PC but the taskbar/tray is as near transparent as I have ever had one ...... yet it does seem to have some colour in it with different wallpapers.

Anyway this is what it looks like with a browser page behind it ...

JohnBoy, how does that look against a dark background?  Please refer to the 'old wallpaper' screenshot I had posted earlier - if it looks the same as that against a dark background, then it's unchanged from the default.  That is what I have been observing: regardless of any editing I have done to the .svg files within the Glassified theme, and equally regardless of whatever state the compositing is in, it always looks the same, and remains unchanged.  All I've really accomplished so far was to clear out some of the darkness from the system tray; all of the other issues yet remain.

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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2010, 03:22:53 PM »
Just download the plix plasma theme.
Right click the desktop, click
 "Desktop Settings" or "Folder view Settings"
Click "New Theme"
And Plix should be at the top of the list.
Click Download
Change your theme from glassified to plix. (in the desktop/folderview settings window)
It turns the Panel completely transparent except for the system tray.
It is working perfectly here, even with a dark background.
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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2010, 03:31:40 PM »
CONFIRMED!!

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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2010, 03:34:16 PM »
Useless, by no means useless! I've learned several things from these postings!
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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2010, 03:54:35 PM »

JohnBoy, how does that look against a dark background? 

Here is a pic with a grey background ....... as you can see the tray is quite transparent showing both the grey background through as well as the app

EDIT ... using the Glassified theme it appears.


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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2010, 03:56:35 PM »




Plix works perfect...

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Re: Tackling the Taskbar: the underline of _frustration_!
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2010, 04:13:18 PM »
Just download the plix plasma theme.
Right click the desktop, click
 "Desktop Settings" or "Folder view Settings"
Click "New Theme"
And Plix should be at the top of the list.
Click Download
Change your theme from glassified to plix. (in the desktop/folderview settings window)
It turns the Panel completely transparent except for the system tray.
It is working perfectly here, even with a dark background.


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