kmymoney for KDE4

[wayne1932]

Just visited their web site and saw nothing about any progress in getting it running on kde4.  That's the only thing right now holding me to kde3.  I've tried skrooge and I don't like it.  Too bad these guys just didn't pitch in and help kmymoney get over to kde4.  It gripes me that something like kmymoney gets abandoned after it is running good, and someone just decides to make a new program and start out with a bunch of bugs that need to be squashed. 

Has anybody had direct contact with the KMM developers to see when it might be ready?

[Animal]

Has anybody had direct contact with the KMM developers to see when it might be ready?

You can

Seriously though, if you really want to see this move forward, a message form one of the users letting the develpers know how much their work, time, and effort means would go a long way to help inspire getting the project done. Besides then you'd get the info straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

I'd like to see it advance to kde 4 but i dont use it so i dont have a vested intrest like you.

[fraxinus]

wayne1932 - I think one place to visit to learn more about what's going on (or not ...), and to register your opinion, is the KDE Community Forum (www.forum.kde.org). This is actually a very interesting place. I have taken to going there because, like you, I am very concerned that a key app of mine (Quanta Plus) is apparently not being ported to KDE 4.

Clearly there's tremendous pressure on the KDE development team at present, especially with the transition to the new DE, and it is not always easy for them to agree what the key priorities are. http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=77332 gives a flavour of the debate. Register on the forum and make your views known.

[kalwisti]

Hi, wayne1932,

I'm subscribed to the KMyMoney user mailing list, and to answer your question, the developers are working on it but they don't yet have a release date. (Various KMM users have asked on different occasions).

If you'd like to subscribe to the list yourself, IMHO it is worthwhile. It is fairly low-traffic and you can learn some neat things about KMM's features or how other KMM users handle certain problems. I'm always impressed with how quickly Thomas Baumgart (Germany) and Alvaro Soliverez (Argentina), two of the devs, answer questions.

http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/mailinglist.html

I too would like a KDE 4 version of KMM but am willing to wait until it's ready.

Can I ask why you didn't like Skrooge? Was it too buggy or did it lack features you need? (I haven't tried it but I made a mental note when it was mentioned as a KDE-4 alternative to KMM). I've recently been playing around with Pardus 2009 (KDE 4.2.4), which is nice but the only finance / checkbook application it has available is HomeBank. I began to try HomeBank out, but when I realized it could not handle split transactions, that was a show-stopper for me. So I'm still doing the checkbook with KMM on my PCLOS 2009 (3.5.10).

[wayne1932]

Heard from the developers:

Hello Wayne,
Most of us are using KDE4. As long as your distro has the necessary
kde3 libs, you can run the current version just fine.

About the port to KDE4, we are working on it and making good progress.
At the moment, most of our effort is concentrated on it.
Having said that, it will still take some time before it is ready for
general use.

Regards,
Alvaro

[wayne1932]

Can I ask why you didn't like Skrooge?

I've been running KDE4 in a virtual box, which makes desk space kinda tight, so I can't see everything.  (I'm still a big newbie in a  lot of things.)   I've grown accustomed to KMM, so I'm not gonna change to skrooge unless I absolutely have to.   I have enough trouble keeping up with my finances without worrying about what the program is doing to me.  

[Star_Gazer]

I'm confused here - are ya'll saying if you update the PCLinuxOS to KDE4, kMyMoney won't work? I'm an advocate for kMyMoney and PCLinuxOS, but on occasion I'll drop into another Linux Distro for short spells, and one of them uses KDE 4 and I installed kMyMoney on it, and as far as I could tell, it does just fine - I even opened up my personal kmy file, and things appeared okay;

Now, I have noticed that when using certain themes in PCLinuxOS, that the kMyMoney window is too wide, and it will not allow you to resize it horizontally.

Has anyone tried kMyMoney in KDE4 for PCLinuxOS?

Star_Gazer

[Animal]

From what i understand kmm currently uses kde 3.x libraries to run. pclos has two separate repositories for kde 3.x and 4.x which cannot be combined since they are built using different tool chains? or something like that

basically kde 3.x is no longer being maintained and updates to current programs will not be backported to work.

from my understanding..

[muungwana]

they can not co exist on the same install because they are installed on the same location and they have the same names.

no kde3 app will work on a kde4 install of pclinuxos. It all depends on how a distro manages its packages ..  some distro does have the abilities to run kde4 and kde3 apps side by side and others dont, pclinuxos is one of those that dont

[kalwisti]

Hi, Animal and muungwana,

Thank you (Asante sana) for your explanations. That's bad news for those of us who've come to rely on KMyMoney to manage our checkbooks.   

I'll have to consider alternatives until they create a KDE 4 version of KMM -- maybe Skrooge? I haven't checked for the KDE 4-status of GnuCash or Grisbi. (I tried GnuCash before and it was too complex for me; I struggled with the double-entry accounting aspect of it and had a hard time making sense of the interface).

[Star_Gazer]

After my post shortly ago, I decided to see if kMyMoney would run in two different distros running KDE 4 (these are the 4.2.2 and 4.2.4 releases) - as pointed out, I already knew it worked on one of the distros - though I forgot that was a LiveCD (I was just checking it out and playing with it then);

I installed kMyMoney on both distros (however, it was version 0.9.2 of kMyMoney as opposed to version 1.0.0-CVS which is on my PCLinuxOS), and it worked on both distros running the KDE 4.x.x Desktop environments - the catch is that when installing kMyMoney, it most likely pulls in "kde 3" dependencies (which relates to what "wayne1932" pointed out in this thread, reply #4), because when I hit the HELP menu and selected "About KDE", it shows version 3.5.10;

Maybe some folk(s) using KDE 4 for their PCLinuxOS install can toy around somehow to have kMyMoney - perhaps, temporarily changing (or adding) kde to the repository, or whatever, and if successful, post how it was done for those that prefer kMyMoney (like myself) and want the desktop to be KDE 4.

Star_Gazer

[muungwana]

i had a thread about how to make kde3 kmymoney work in kde4 in pclinuxos but the thread seem to be missing or i couldnt find it ..its possible though

[Animal]

Have you looked at something like this

ClearCheckbook is free online personal finance software that securely tracks accounts and spending in one place, accessible where ever you can use the Internet.

You can track checking, savings, credit card and cash accounts with ClearCheckbook. Add personal finance accounts in your initial set up, then add more accounts when needed, on the fly while entering transactions.
Does ClearCheckbook support categories and budgets?
Yes, you can create categories for tracking transactions and budgeting with ClearCheckbook. Split transactions are supported as well. Manage and track your budget by setting monthly spending limits on any category or account to have purchases deducted from the limits, and you will know how much money you have left to spend for the month.

[dj_bridges]

Animal - ClearCheckbook certainly looks interesting. One of the problems with it that I see is that it is ultimately a commercial application and they could just decide to remove the free user account or limit it so much that one would have to go to premium. That and having all my financial details stored on the web somewhere doesn't sell it for me. Then again perhaps I am being too pessimistic.

Have been playing around with skrooge on a KDE4 VBox machine, but its not as intuitive as kmymoney - fingers crossed they port it soon!

Here's the link to your thread Muungwana - have posted a reply to it.

[kjpetrie]

Have you got enough room on your PC to run virtualbox? (about 1GB RAM [750 MB at a push] and about 10GB HDD space?) You could install a KDE 3.5 Minime in there to run legacy applications while using KDE 4 on your main system.

Just a thought.