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VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« on: September 02, 2009, 07:42:27 AM »
My brain has stopped working after the shock of actually having attempted to install a program not in the repo as far as I could see.

I did some homework and found the rpm manager was available and I have downloaded an VariCAD*.i586.rpm file which I have installed:

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[root@PCLOS2009 Holding]# rpm -ihv VariCAD_2009-en-1.06-1.i586.rpm
Preparing...                ########################################### [100%]
   1:VariCAD_2009-en        ########################################### [100%]
[root@PCLOS2009 Holding]#          
     

Seems ok to me and I found out that the program just needs to be started in a terminal

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[gert@PCLOS2009 Holding]$ varicad

*** (R) VariCAD - graphic system release 2009-1.06
*** (C) VariCAD

Seems to start up, nice little logo, then a message:

Varicad requires True Colour change settings of your graphics

Here my brain gives up as I thought I was running true colour, a quick search in PCC and I failed. I am sure it is easy.

Anyone have pity on a fledgeling :-[
                                        

« Last Edit: September 02, 2009, 07:47:14 AM by wedgeling »
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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2009, 07:47:11 AM »
Sounds like you might need to change /etc/X11/xorg.conf from DefaultColorDepth 16 to DefaultColorDepth 24?

Section "Screen"
    Identifier "screen1"
    Device "device1"
    Monitor "monitor1"
    DefaultColorDepth 24


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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2009, 08:10:35 AM »
Thankyou Texstar,

Your answer gave my brain a kickstart, happened to have Krusader open in root mode so I dived in and changed to 24 as suggested. I did have the subsections with 24 deep, will find out later if there is GUI access to the changes.

I can report after an axious wait the the VariCAD program kicked in and I have exactly 30 days of grace before the wallet with $$$ has to be presented if I want to continue, which I don't know.

I have just got up to some speed in Google Sketchup and the taste of 3D models had me searching for Linux 3D programs. Solidworks I think is out of the question for hobby only.

I will report back how 'stable' the program will be running in my opinion, I did however not really expect I would be that lucky to get this big program to run as easy as this.

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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2009, 08:36:39 AM »
No problems installing/running with the Tex (and following) in charge!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2009, 10:24:14 AM »
No problems installing/running with the Tex (and following) in charge!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I sometimes think he might be able to make a freight train run on a dirt road!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

If there were a need for it, you can bet he'd figure it out. ;D ;D ;D


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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2009, 12:01:57 PM »
Did you try thishttp://www.cycas.de/] [url]http://www.cycas.de/[/url]? It works well on my computer!

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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2009, 12:13:45 PM »
livram79,
Is this the url you intended?
http://www.cycas.de/


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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2009, 05:56:11 PM »
I can report after an axious wait the the VariCAD program kicked in and I have exactly 30 days of grace before the wallet with $$$ has to be presented if I want to continue, which I don't know.

I have just got up to some speed in Google Sketchup and the taste of 3D models had me searching for Linux 3D programs. Solidworks I think is out of the question for hobby only.

I wish there was a cheaper version of Solidworks for hobby only, the things I could create with that program...

This VariCAD seems to be very Solidworks-like and pricey, but not Solidworks caliber pricing.

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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2009, 07:34:05 PM »
RPsx94
The better programs are the bigger the investment in time, people and money the cost of which of course must be funded from somewhere. Solidworks looks impressive but I think also needs to be looked at as a program you use to earn a living, ie you put a lot of your lifetime into it. Personally I over estimate my own capabilities every time I get involved with new programs so I try to ensure that I really really really want to start. Keep your dreams and expectations as who knows if something comes along and you get a chance.

I probably would have stayed with Google Sketchup even it is very basic but I have an aim to transfer my computing skills to Linux, I now no longer have an 'obligation' to stay with MS. Unfortunately I have not found anything like GS in Linux and I do not want to run programs under Wine if I can avoid it.

Further the program I am looking for ought to run under PClinuxOS where i have spent a lot of time trying to come to grips with basics, all those things one does no longer think of as difficult under Windows. It is enormous frustration sitting looking at a problem knowing the solution is simple but you just can't see the next step. I recognised this when I was faced with the simple problem of the 'True Color', I can fix this in my sleep on Windows but here all of a sudden something just went blank in my brain.

Getting help on a Forum very quickly is great encouragement especially as the VariCAD install process seemed a bit truncated.  I was not really surprised to see an error message. I am however getting a bit sidetracked and may come back and explain a bit more in details when I have tested more of VariCAD to see if it is stable, so far so good.

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I think you have it right. I went there to have a look, I may even go back and try CyCAD out just to see how it works in PCLinuxOS but will have to wait as all my effort has to go into VariCAD as the limited licence period is now ticking.

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From above you will have guessed that I have not tried CYCAD, I probably would have missed it in my search as I focus more on the mechanical engieering aspect right now.

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Starting a new program even when you know the principles is a bit daunting, this happened to me again when VariCAD started up, lots of familiar looking items and yet still you simply don't know what all the icons do. I tried to jump ahead right into to 'extrusion' of 2D objects, splat. The Google Sketchup experienced was not much help so I am back at starting from the beginning, running the quick VariCAD tutorials, which I had already looked at via Windows XP. What I saw made me decide to have a go using PCLOS though it is not mentioned specificly to run VariCAD.

The tutorials for me are good as I can step back and find exactly what I did wrong and at the same time forced to look a bit closer at the individual steps.  I will be spending a fair time in the 2D re-learning while I will sneak into the 3D bit by bit 'just to see'.  One thing I need to test out is how well I can use my existing AutoCAD LT drawings as I have a considerable number. representing manny many hours of work.

VariCAD presently is started from terminal by 'varicad' call and it takes about 12 seconds to start up, long enough to get a bit itchy. I know that it is simple to make a shortcut icon but I have been away from Linus for a number of weeks and it just doesn't jump to mind yet, wheras using terminal is only seconds, to some of you it must seem silly.  ??? 

Have not done any customisation to the program yet, such as setting up templates.  I know how time consuming this is.  Aiming to get very quickly to see a 3D model of a solar energy collector, big heatbank, and associated piping and pumps plus a small plate heat exchanger. Was dead simple sketching out by hand, took longer in GS to find it was not so smart at running pipes.



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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2009, 08:19:39 PM »
I too have been looking for a native solution for some serious solid modeling software on Linux.

Something that can import/export, among others:

.igs
.prt
.dxf
.prt

Has full history and parametric abilities, fea capabilities, and kinematics

I used to use CATIA v4 & v5, IDEAS, and UG/NX at work but I have found Solidworks to be about the best.

It can almost open anything you throw at it.



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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #10 on: September 04, 2009, 04:10:14 PM »
I took a class that used the program Maya, and I wanted to see how it would do Solidworks stuff. 

After converting to .IGS format an importing....it wasn't as terrible as I thought it would be.  It wasn't that great either.

I learned one thing from using that Maya software, if I wanna solid model anything, I need to do it with CAD.  I can't tolerate not being able to measure and dimension things.

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« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 10:31:31 PM »
Please do let us know how the VariCAD works out.  Being quite rusty with my AutoCAD skills, I am interested in re-developing my 3D modeling (CAD) skills but in a Linux envirnoment.  Its posts like yours that make this forum so cool.  Some of us are into a lot more than just having a  nice desktop to write letters with, play games, or chat and read email or watch movies with. Some of use are researchers and developers.

As for "out of Repo" installs, I just did an effective install of Yale's NEURON into PCLinuxOS-minime09-2009.1 and it works just fine.  Its a biological neuron simulator, btw.  Am looking to attempt GENESIS 2.3 as well and also PCSIM.  All this Artificial Intelligence stuff.

Yes, Blender and Maya are nice but sometimes CAD is what is called for.

Also have installed Qnext as I have it running across several out of town locations (brothers) and its nice to know it works find in this version of PCLinux.

I am hoping to do some installs of some 3D Finite Element Analysis software in this Linux version as well.   I have to be able to model magnetic and electric fields in 3D.

Eventually I hope to put together a new "roll" to burn as my own "flavor" of PCLinuxOS for use in the labs here.

BTW, wedgling, where did you get that VariCAD rpm from?  I too would like to check it out.

Suppose I could "google it", eh?


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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2009, 03:41:09 AM »
Maya (and I'm assuming Blender as well) is nice for "eyeing" stuff.  It is good "artistic" modeling, it is not really good for technical dimensioning and modeling.

And in the case of Solidworks--->Maya....well....  When you import an assembly, it imports as one big object instead of all the smaller parts attached to one another. 

Which was a bit of a bummer,  I had modeled some working pistons and they no longer worked.  :-[

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Re: VariCAD 3D CAD installation small problem
« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2009, 05:42:47 AM »
For CAE apps, you should check out www.caelinux.com or www.calculix.de.  CAELinux contains Code-Aster, Salome, and a host of other open-source CAE stuff.  Just my opinion: none of the open-source stuff comes close to the commercial apps for ease-of-use and power.  You get what you pay for...

Most of the mainstream CAE providers (MSC, Ansys, Abaqus, LSDyna. SFTC, for example) produce Linux as well as windows versions of their software. 

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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2009, 05:52:17 PM »
I have now spent 10 days of my free trial of VariCAD 1.06 rpm download from: http://www.varicad.com/en/home/products/download/ when you arrive at this location you need to register and the next step takes you to the real download of either Windows version or Linux.

During the 10 days I have done a lot of experimenting.  I have made a mistake in assuming that my limited knowledge of AutoCAD could be directly transferred to VariCAD, this only got me frustrations as I did not pay enough attention to the the manual or the tutorials so as I progressed I found I have had to come back and re-read and test again to see that what I thought was missing is in fact included.

Overall I find that VariCAD runs fine under PCLinuxOS 2009.  My guess is that I understand the concept of the package and about 30% I have tested in depth or to a depth that satisfies my need.

As solid modeling was main interest to get started I jumped in at the tutorials which almost immediately is in 3D work. This was a bit slow going as I had to re-orientate myself to the icon meanings and locations which are different of of course to AutoCAD Lite which I have been using for years for serious hobby use. The icons are now beginning to be second nature and I can use the program in 2D more fluently, there are still a number of blind alleys that brings me to stop because I expect AutoCAD behaviour.

As an example that I have not come to grips with is the use of layers, layer management is very different. In VariCAD I can not turn layers on or off, I am used to have a number of layers that I only use for construction layers which I turn off when the final 'outline' is to be presented. This is going to hurt when I import older drawings into VariCAD. I am still considering how big a problem this will present me and at the moment I am leaning towards having to continue using AutoCAD Lite as well.

When importing DWG drawings made using mm units I find the new dimensions are now all 25.4 times bigger, the drawing appeared fine until I started combining the imported drawing with existing new parts made in VariCAD.  I am not sure where I am going wrong but seem to remember from many many years back that despite working in mm the underlaying operation merrily kept working in imperial measurement.  I understood that loading DWG format that VariCAD would autodetect units, but something is not right. I have imported another DWG made by a Scandinavian company, a small complex recirculation pump, this loads beautifully so I am assuming I have somehow created the problem myself in my own drawings. Perhaps by simply using AutoCAD Lite, it is more than 10 years old but works just fine for me.

I started out with a need for showing tanks, pumps and pipes. This works fine in 3D though I am struggling with the 3D visualisation which seems to be a matter of experience not a shortcoming with VariCAD. I have been diverted into a bit of architecture and this is stretching the program a bit as it is not meant for that purpose.  I have succeeded though creating an extension to my house in 3D and found out how to drop back from 3D to 2D to make precise measurements  for fitting objects precisely within 1mm if so desired.

This area highlighted the importance of the having a good 2D support for the 3D area and I now appreciate the comments made in the thread about the need for 2D. 

As I go I make notes so I can contact the maker for help but rather than rush in I have decided I will wait some time until I have tested as far as I can and then consolidate my requests for help or explanation as I have found as I go along that some initial problems go away with more understanding.  The VariCAD forum seems to be of limited help as there are not many contributors I have searched a number of times on the forum with limited success.




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