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[Just17]

True but not accurate
Your response is
The parent patting a small child on the head in a dismissive way...
The package maintainers aren't generating the source code,
So it's coming from outside Pclos
I can't verywell make a decision about the long term viability
I'm not trying to bait you into an emotional response
Just wondering who's shoulders we're standing on

The simple answer to that is on the shoulders of every person who ever created a piece of software and released it for others to use freely.
Those creative people released their code as source and they or others continue to maintain it.

PCLinuxOS builds its packages from such source code.

Just as other distros do .......  derivative releases (some claiming to be distros) use code from other distros already packaged and tested.

PCLinuxOS is not a derivative of any other distro.

Again I suggest .......  do some reading before making pronouncements and judgements. 

[horusfalcon]

Folks, it's possible we're all, including Garthhh, setting off on the wrong foot here?  Let's all step back, catch a clean breath, and go from there, please.

If I may speak directly to you for a bit, Garthhh:  you should know that all Linux distributions descend from a Linux kernel and various sources packaged to work in that distribution's environment.   What's really important to most around here is whether or not they work...  Our packagers work with what works - good results on the desktop are the primary focus of the distribution.

You don't strike me as "thick", you've just had some bad experiences and are trying to avoid them here...  Chill, dude.  Get to know your way around, and relax with folks a bit.  If you have questions about the way things work in PCLinuxOS, you won't find a better resource than these fora.  Nobody's perfect, but we try.

If you're looking for the inner workings of PCLinuxOS, I might suggest you hang out and just monitor the boards in Developers' Corner.  A lot of the inner workings are there on display.  Kick back and watch for a while - gain a sense of the ebb and flow of the discussion, and then, when you're more comfortable in your surroundings, join in.

The sources are available for download from our mirrors, so if you are the kind of person who likes to dig, get busy, homey!

Every community has its strengths and weaknesses.  Try to accentuate what you like about a distribution instead of what you don't like.  You'll find you eventually develop a more even-handed outlook that way.  You won't be able to change the community to your liking unless you get involved, and we welcome that around here.

Personally, I hope you stick around long enough to give us a fair shake, and that we do the same for you.

Later On,
D

Edited by O-P to remove parts totally in error, correct what could be corrected, and remove a non functional link to a repository not in existence for over four years.

[sling-shot]

+1

Please keep it cool Ask a specific question and get some answers.

[horusfalcon]

Thanks for the corrections, O-P.  I appreciate it.  Keep me honest, brother!

Later On,
D

[gseaman]

Garthhh,

Welcome to the PCLinuxOS forum. I think that you have valid concerns. If you spend time learning an OS, it takes work and you want to know that the effort is not in vain. I remember that feeling when I used proprietary apps in windows. Often, I spent big money and many hours learning an application that became quickly and completely irrelevant. I would have given up on computers completely, if that was the only way! I was fortunate to find PCLinuxOS many years ago, and have learned a great deal so that I can contribute in some way. Don't listen to what other distros, forums, etc. say about us. Take some time, ask questions and listen carefully to the answers. You will find that everyone here is trying to make PCLinuxOS the best OS for users, that we can. We make errors, sometimes have misunderstandings, but the desire to improve the world of computing is genuine and it shows in the results. This distro is not going anywhere, but up. And even if it did disappear as a distro, the knowledge gained from the process does not go away in Linux like it did in the old days. Linux and all of it's gpl'd applications just continue to impro, and all of the contributors gradually increase in skill and knowledge. So, don't worry about the future. Just jump in and start enjoying the ride!

Galen

[frazelle09]

Where do the packages come from?

Gee, even i don't really know the answer to that one...

i suppose a short answer would be...

The DE comes from KDE, LibreOffice from..., Thunderbird from..., Firefox from..., GoogleEarth from..., the kernel from - Linus and team?, and

what's left...??  All the "extras" like Krusader, Bit torrent client, Samba, Recoll, Wine, FreeMind which each come from their respective "teams".  This would be my understanding as a non-packager.

Does this seem to be about right?

Have a great morning and welcome aboard from sunny Mexico! 

[Old-Polack]

Where do the packages come from?

Gee, even i don't really know the answer to that one...

i suppose a short answer would be...

The DE comes from KDE, LibreOffice from..., Thunderbird from..., Firefox from..., GoogleEarth from..., the kernel from - Linus and team?, and

what's left...??  All the "extras" like Krusader, Bit torrent client, Samba, Recoll, Wine, FreeMind which each come from their respective "teams".  This would be my understanding as a non-packager.

Does this seem to be about right?

Have a great morning and welcome aboard from sunny Mexico! 

You are right, you don't really know the answer to that one...

You have named some of the creators/maintainers of the source code used in the packages we build. As stated repeatedly, the packages come from us, the PCLinuxOS packagers. There is a reason why our packagers are called that, because that is what they do.

[Garthhh]

Folks, it's possible we're all, including Garthhh, setting off on the wrong foot here?  Let's all step back, catch a clean breath, and go from there, please.

If I may speak directly to you for a bit, Garthhh:  you should know that all Linux distributions descend from a Linux kernel and various sources packaged to work in that distribution's environment.   What's really important to most around here is whether or not they work...  Our packagers work with what works - good results on the desktop are the primary focus of the distribution.

You don't strike me as "thick", you've just had some bad experiences and are trying to avoid them here...  Chill, dude.  Get to know your way around, and relax with folks a bit.  If you have questions about the way things work in PCLinuxOS, you won't find a better resource than these fora.  Nobody's perfect, but we try.

If you're looking for the inner workings of PCLinuxOS, I might suggest you hang out and just monitor the boards in Developers' Corner.  A lot of the inner workings are there on display.  Kick back and watch for a while - gain a sense of the ebb and flow of the discussion, and then, when you're more comfortable in your surroundings, join in.

The sources are available for download from our mirrors, so if you are the kind of person who likes to dig, get busy, homey!

Every community has its strengths and weaknesses.  Try to accentuate what you like about a distribution instead of what you don't like.  You'll find you eventually develop a more even-handed outlook that way.  You won't be able to change the community to your liking unless you get involved, and we welcome that around here.

Personally, I hope you stick around long enough to give us a fair shake, and that we do the same for you.

Later On,
D

Edited by O-P to remove parts totally in error, correct what could be corrected, and remove a non functional link to a repository not in existence for over four years.

Thanks for the response
There is more than a bit of the dev shuffle going on, not at all unusual ...
The secret society mentality

You ain't from around here [heavy hillbilly accent]

I think you understand where I'm coming from, Horusfalcon
I'm still a member in good standing in all those communities
In reviewing this thread, there's nothing that I can't live with...

I'm not willing to spend 100's of hours wading through dev chats for meaningful answers to questions of organizational philosophical history/direction
Though I am interested


I have some time before my mageia installs expire [as it were]
When a xcfe version is available, I'll set up a hdd

[RobNJ]

Folks, it's possible we're all, including Garthhh, setting off on the wrong foot here?  Let's all step back, catch a clean breath, and go from there, please.

If I may speak directly to you for a bit, Garthhh:  you should know that all Linux distributions descend from a Linux kernel and various sources packaged to work in that distribution's environment.   What's really important to most around here is whether or not they work...  Our packagers work with what works - good results on the desktop are the primary focus of the distribution.

You don't strike me as "thick", you've just had some bad experiences and are trying to avoid them here...  Chill, dude.  Get to know your way around, and relax with folks a bit.  If you have questions about the way things work in PCLinuxOS, you won't find a better resource than these fora.  Nobody's perfect, but we try.

If you're looking for the inner workings of PCLinuxOS, I might suggest you hang out and just monitor the boards in Developers' Corner.  A lot of the inner workings are there on display.  Kick back and watch for a while - gain a sense of the ebb and flow of the discussion, and then, when you're more comfortable in your surroundings, join in.

The sources are available for download from our mirrors, so if you are the kind of person who likes to dig, get busy, homey!

Every community has its strengths and weaknesses.  Try to accentuate what you like about a distribution instead of what you don't like.  You'll find you eventually develop a more even-handed outlook that way.  You won't be able to change the community to your liking unless you get involved, and we welcome that around here.

Personally, I hope you stick around long enough to give us a fair shake, and that we do the same for you.

Later On,
D

Edited by O-P to remove parts totally in error, correct what could be corrected, and remove a non functional link to a repository not in existence for over four years.

Thanks for the response
There is more than a bit of the dev shuffle going on, not at all unusual ...
The secret society mentality

You ain't from around here [heavy hillbilly accent]

I think you understand where I'm coming from, Horusfalcon
I'm still a member in good standing in all those communities
In reviewing this thread, there's nothing that I can't live with...

I'm not willing to spend 100's of hours wading through dev chats for meaningful answers to questions of organizational philosophical history/direction
Though I am interested


I have some time before my mageia installs expire [as it were]
When a xcfe version is available, I'll set up a hdd

"organizational philosphical history/direction"

The folks here are trying to build a great Linux distro,,,,,,, Not micro manage a corporation! 

[horusfalcon]

{snipped my previous...}

Thanks for the response
There is more than a bit of the dev shuffle going on, not at all unusual ...
The secret society mentality

You ain't from around here [heavy hillbilly accent]

I think you understand where I'm coming from, Horusfalcon
I'm still a member in good standing in all those communities
In reviewing this thread, there's nothing that I can't live with...

I'm not willing to spend 100's of hours wading through dev chats for meaningful answers to questions of organizational philosophical history/direction
Though I am interested


I have some time before my mageia installs expire [as it were]
When a xcfe version is available, I'll set up a hdd

Going in reverse order (last first, that is...)

Huh... there used to be an XFCE version... I've got some old disks circa 2009 laying around with XFCE.

I have no experience with mageia - you like it, do you?  I think, given time and some runtime, you might come to like PCLinuxOS more, but I'm understandably biased.

I get that you're not interested in burning a lot of time going through dev chats... most of us hereabouts aren't really keen on that either.  There's a lot of activity on the support sections, folks trying to help other folks.  It's a mode that works well for me - I've found that I can be unafraid to make an error as long as I'm learning, and I manage to help out where I can.  Not an expert, but I know a little, and maybe I can guess the rest?

Questions about organizational philosophy and direction are sometimes hard to answer when things are in flux.  There's generally more to those type of questions than meets my eye, anyway.

What I believe I understand about where you're coming from is (and tell me if I'm wrong, please) that you've been hopping from one distro to another in search of that one special distro that has it all:  control, conveyance, continuity, context, and community.  That's a worthwhile pursuit, and you'll find PCLinuxOS to be pretty close if not perfect.  (Again, I might be just a little biased...)

From what you've told us here, you've had some issues with forum mods in other places in the past which led to some poor outcomes.  I'll say this about that:  the devs and mods here are not like the devs and mods I've seen elsewhere - they roll up their sleeves and help folks with their problems here, and they still find time to contribute as developers, packagers, and moderators.  Treat 'em like folks, 'cause they'll generally give as good as they get.

To ape your "hillbilly" comment, we ain't perfect, but who the heck is?

Yeah, you're right about there having been some recent unpleasantness here.  You may know more about it than I do (I don't really have time  to keep up with all that anymore).  I don't really know what to say except that a community is only as valuable as its people.  You won't find a nicer, more willing, and more helpful group of people anywhere.  Put that to the test for yourself.

Later On,
D