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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2013, 07:19:30 PM »
I really like "Nugget In A Biscuit" better.

Nope sorry - not my beat... ;D

But it's a lyrical masterpiece.  ;D

Mushroom mushroom! ;D

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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2013, 07:22:45 PM »
Make them both stop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D


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« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2013, 09:49:50 PM »
Make them both stop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Would you rather hear a song about Llamas ? ;D
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« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2013, 10:23:51 PM »
Make them both stop !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Would you rather hear a song about Llamas ? ;D

I would rather hear Steve Martin sing about King Tut. ;)


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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2013, 09:22:57 AM »
Ten hour Badger song, ... No Way !!! Not even gonna have peep  ::)

Keep off the Red Mushrooms Bald Brick, they'll kill you, stricnean.  
You want 'Gold Tops' for a 10 hour Badger song ;D
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Strychnine acts as a blocker or antagonist at the inhibitory or strychnine-sensitive glycine receptor (GlyR), a ligand-gated chloride channel in the spinal cord and the brain.

Although it is best known as a poison, small doses of strychnine were once used in medications as a stimulant, a laxative and as a treatment for other stomach ailments. A 1934 drug guide for nurses described it as "among the most valuable and widely prescribed drugs". Strychnine's stimulant effects also led to its use historically for enhancing performance in sports. Because of its high toxicity and tendency to cause convulsions, the use of strychnine in medicine was eventually abandoned once safer alternatives became available.


I liked the fighting  świnka morska (Guinea pig - Russian ? ) that Andy posted quite awhile ago, tough little critter.

Those Badgers are spooky looking things, I'll be having nightmares about them I bet,... or are they just Garden Gnomes ? They could do with a good dose of Strychnine.
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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2013, 10:09:19 AM »
Ten hour Badger song, ... No Way !!! Not even gonna have peep  ::)

Keep off the Red Mushrooms Bald Brick, they'll kill you, stricnean.  
You want 'Gold Tops' for a 10 hour Badger song ;D
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Strychnine acts as a blocker or antagonist at the inhibitory or strychnine-sensitive glycine receptor (GlyR), a ligand-gated chloride channel in the spinal cord and the brain.

Although it is best known as a poison, small doses of strychnine were once used in medications as a stimulant, a laxative and as a treatment for other stomach ailments. A 1934 drug guide for nurses described it as "among the most valuable and widely prescribed drugs". Strychnine's stimulant effects also led to its use historically for enhancing performance in sports. Because of its high toxicity and tendency to cause convulsions, the use of strychnine in medicine was eventually abandoned once safer alternatives became available.

Yes, but I don't think strychnine is the most interesting poison that you'll find Amanita muscaria, the pretty red toadstool with white spots, also known as fly agaric. For centuries it was used as a hallucinogen in Asia and Northern Europe and in the 'sixties it was rediscovered by the hippies. It is poisonous of course (or it would hardly give you any hallucinations worth mentioning) but taken in moderate amounts it's not very likely to kill you.

Scandinavian children are routinely told that it is very poisonous (and  warning them is a good thing) but if you remove the red skin and parboil the rest of the mushroom it could be considered edible.

On the other hand some less colourful toadstools will kill you regardless of how you prepare them, at least unless you get a new liver very fast. And then they may kill you anyway.
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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2013, 01:24:01 PM »
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On the other hand some less colourful toadstools will kill you regardless of how you prepare them, at least unless you get a new liver very fast. And they may kill you anyway.

And there is no antidote. Once it's in your system, it's too late.
These are the only wild shrooms that I'd hunt and eat. The morel mushroom. slice them in half, roll them in flour and
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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2013, 01:39:43 PM »
I love morels. And I love false morels too, even if they are slightly toxic without parboiling (and according to some studies even after parboiling).
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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2013, 01:41:47 PM »
I love morels. And I love false morels too, even if they are slightly toxic without parboiling (and according to some studies even after parboiling).


I never tried a false morel. I'd be scared to. :-\
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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2013, 01:48:14 PM »
Badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM!

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« Reply #25 on: February 07, 2013, 01:53:35 PM »
LOL  AndrzejL you are ate up with it dude. ;D ;D
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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #26 on: February 07, 2013, 02:05:27 PM »
LOL  AndrzejL you are ate up with it dude. ;D ;D

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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #27 on: February 07, 2013, 02:33:02 PM »
Yes, Andy is in a 'odd place' it seems.  :D
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If you don't know what your looking for you can cause yourself some grief with 'Wild Mushrooms'.

In nature Red generally means warning (!) regarding wild foods, berries, etc., as I was referencing actually to stay away from the Red spotted ones, although if you skin them maybe you can eat them safely, not recommended in Australia.

Thus the Strychnine was a warning, not a go for it, as the effects aren't at all pleasant. I have to laugh that they used Strychnine; "for enhancing performance in sports." ( Big too Doo about all sports broke here in Aus concerning 'performance enhancing drugs', and substances yesterday.)

Different area here, getting back to M'rooms, compared to Europe.
Gold Top Hallucinogenic ones grow everywhere, in clusters under the pine trees. They're in all the parks, boulevards, forests of which the British planted copious amounts of Pines after there arrival in 1776; containing hallucinogenic compounds, most commonly psilocybin and psilocin.       --               Strychnine is a poison was my point.

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The hallucinogens are a chemically diverse class. Grouping the hallucinogens based on their chemical structure includes, but is not limited to, three major classes: indolealkylamines or tryptamines (e.g. LSD, psilocybine and psilocin), phenethylamines, including mescaline and methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA); and cannabinoids.


I've seen some terrible cases of people eating wild mushrooms, vomitting, cramping, and also as a kid gone through cow paddocks with my family picking the lovely big umbrella shaped creamy topped, with brown fanned undersides which was always a great day out, and lovely food.
Of course after my parent asked the permission of the Farmer.  ;)

I hope I never come across a badger.  ;D
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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #28 on: February 07, 2013, 03:09:54 PM »
Yes, Andy is in a 'odd place' it seems.  :D
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If you don't know what your looking for you can cause yourself some grief with 'Wild Mushrooms'.

In nature Red generally means warning (!) regarding wild foods, berries, etc., as I was referencing actually to stay away from the Red spotted ones, although if you skin them maybe you can eat them safely, not recommended in Australia.


You are so right. My point was just that the mushroom with the warning signs (Amanita muscaria) is only just toxic enough to have been used as party drug by Vikings, shamans and hippies, while the related "Destroying angel" (Amanita virosa, will kill you without warning you first. It doesn't look poisonous at all and can easily be mistaken for a wild button mushroom, but eat it, and there isn't much the doctors can do.

But does that mean that we shouldn't pick wild mushrooms?

It just means that we shouldn't eat them if we aren't very certain that we know what we've picked. But identifying a few edible ones doesn't take that long. (It's a bit like learning PCLinuxOS: don't install anything that isn't in the repository.)

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Thus the Strychnine was a warning, not a go for it, as the effects aren't at all pleasant. I have to laugh that they used Strychnine; "for enhancing performance in sports." ( Big too Doo about all sports broke here in Aus concerning 'performance enhancing drugs', and substances yesterday.)

Different area here, getting back to M'rooms, compared to Europe.
Gold Top Hallucinogenic ones grow everywhere, in clusters under the pine trees. They're in all the parks, boulevards, forests of which the British planted copious amounts of Pines after there arrival in 1776; containing hallucinogenic compounds, most commonly psilocybin and psilocin.       --               Strychnine is a poison was my point.

http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/publications/drug-profiles/mushrooms
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The hallucinogens are a chemically diverse class. Grouping the hallucinogens based on their chemical structure includes, but is not limited to, three major classes: indolealkylamines or tryptamines (e.g. LSD, psilocybine and psilocin), phenethylamines, including mescaline and methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA); and cannabinoids.


I've seen some terrible cases of people eating wild mushrooms, vomitting, cramping, and also as a kid gone through cow paddocks with my family picking the lovely big umbrella shaped creamy topped, with brown fanned undersides which was always a great day out, and lovely food.
Of course after my parent asked the permission of the Farmer.  ;)

I hope I never come across a badger.  ;D
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Re: Badgers...
« Reply #29 on: February 07, 2013, 03:34:45 PM »
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But does that mean that we shouldn't pick wild mushrooms?
Oh no, just the ones we are sure are safe to eat. A friend of mine had a bad habit of picking ones that looked fine but he wasn't too good at it. Had a few bad occassions.  :D  
I must admit I'm only inclined to eat one type from the wild, which I'm sure are fine. If you can get foods from the wild, not from a supermarket, they'd be genetically a richer mix which is always a good thing I feel.

Generally as you say:
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It just means that we shouldn't eat them if we aren't very certain that we know what we've picked. But identifying a few edible ones doesn't take that long. (It's a bit like learning PCLinuxOS: don't install anything that isn't in the repository.)  

Good analogy !
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