PCLinuxOS KDE 64bit RC1

[MCP]

For all of you switching over to 64 bit.

I have used 64 bit capable computers for several years and of course no software was taking advantage of that capability back when I started.  My current machine has an AMD 64 bit processor with 4 gig of ram and PCLOS 32 bit works very nicely with the pae kernel.

So my question is: Is there sufficient increase in either speed or other advantages to merit the work needed to switch over to PCLOS 64 bit?

I've decided to wait until everyone identifies all the problems first since I use this for my business.

Please let me know what you guys think.

MCP

[Old-Polack]

For all of you switching over to 64 bit.

I have used 64 bit capable computers for several years and of course no software was taking advantage of that capability back when I started.  My current machine has an AMD 64 bit processor with 4 gig of ram and PCLOS 32 bit works very nicely with the pae kernel.

So my question is: Is there sufficient increase in either speed or other advantages to merit the work needed to switch over to PCLOS 64 bit?

I've decided to wait until everyone identifies all the problems first since I use this for my business.

Please let me know what you guys think.

MCP

It isn't much work to install the RC1, if you want to test it, and have a spare partition on which to install it. As the name confirms, this is not yet a finished final release, so we do not suggest that you use it for your business.

[TerryN]

3. Network tray icon disappeared.

Me too had this issue on and on since the first test 64 bit iso.  Sometimes it even didn't apperar on boot, but I was abble to connect wi fi via the drak-connect center 

We don't really have enough info to even make an educated guess at this.  Is it only on wired or wireless connections or both?  What network adapter/driver is used?  Can anyone reliably reproduce it and if so what are *exact* steps?  Are there any clues in /var/log/syslog around the time the applet disappears?
Without some more details we don't stand much chance of finding this.

Terry.

[MCP]

It isn't much work to install the RC1, if you want to test it, and have a spare partition on which to install it. As the name confirms, this is not yet a finished final release, so we do not suggest that you use it for your business.

I realize that it wouldn't take much, and I do have plenty of space.  But in the end is there a sufficient speed increase to make it worthwhile? Or does this fall into the "everyone has one so we need one" category?

MCP

[µT6]

"But in the end is there a sufficient speed increase to make it worthwhile? Or does this fall into the "everyone has one so we need one" category?"

this falls into the 32 bit is being abandoned since 2003 category

also 64 bit supports 4+ gs of ram natively

it is something that we should have and eventually most of us will use only, similar to what happened to 16 bit os, ended abandoned and only some tools survived on DOS

i am using it as my main os right now in my laptop, my desktop won't work with the video card damaged under linux so i only use netbook

the only problem i see is that it seems to use more ram and i only have 1 gb so swap is being used   

the bright side is that i can hibernate and suspend to disk with it(i never trust in those options in any os existent, including linux), 32 bit update couldn't

what i haven't been able to fix is the video problem asking me screen resolution i mentioned earlier 

[MCP]

"But in the end is there a sufficient speed increase to make it worthwhile? Or does this fall into the "everyone has one so we need one" category?"

this falls into the 32 bit is being abandoned since 2003 category

also 64 bit supports 4+ gs of ram natively

it is something that we should have and eventually most of us will use only, similar to what happened to 16 bit os, ended abandoned and only some tools survived on DOS

i am using it as my main os right now in my laptop, my desktop won't work with the video card damaged under linux so i only use netbook

the only problem i see is that it seems to use more ram and i only have 1 gb so swap is being used   

the bright side is that i can hibernate and suspend to disk with it(i never trust in those options in any os existent, including linux), 32 bit update couldn't

what i haven't been able to fix is the video problem asking me screen resolution i mentioned earlier 

Thanks for that information.

MCP

[µT6]

another good thing i found with it is that old 32 bit booted in 1 minute and 40+ seconds

64 bit is booting in 1 minute and 20 seconds including the time to select the video mode on the problem i mentioned earlier that i don't know how to fix

[agmg]

It isn't much work to install the RC1, if you want to test it, and have a spare partition on which to install it. As the name confirms, this is not yet a finished final release, so we do not suggest that you use it for your business.

I realize that it wouldn't take much, and I do have plenty of space.  But in the end is there a sufficient speed increase to make it worthwhile? Or does this fall into the "everyone has one so we need one" category?

MCP

μT6 is right in everything he said, eventually 32bit will be abandoned and everyone will take the step to 64bit.

Speaking by personal experience, I find 64bit a lot faster and snappier than the 32bit release.

At least on my machine which is a moderate Toshiba laptop with a Core2Duo T6600 running at 2.2GHz, a mobilty Radeon HD4650 with 1GB DDR3 and 4GB of DDR3 for RAM. I currently use an SSD for my main install so everything is quite fast already. But I have also 32bit and 64bit installations on my secondary old mechanical drive and I believe that 64bit is faster. It is not a huge difference but it certainly is noticeable...

[pinoc]

recompiled, updated, and ported ~ 100 packages for 32/64bit which can now be installed (coming to your repo soon):
- kdm-theme-X
- ksplash-theme-X
- task-theme-X
- plasma-desktoptheme-X
- plasma-applet-X
- wallpaper-theme-X

regards,
-p.

[JohnW_57]

recompiled, updated, and ported ~ 100 packages for 32/64bit which can now be installed (coming to your repo soon):
- kdm-theme-X
- ksplash-theme-X
- task-theme-X
- plasma-desktoptheme-X
- plasma-applet-X
- wallpaper-theme-X

JohnW

[µT6]

last night i was trying a new firmware on my router and i killed it

then i found a problem on the 64 bit, the app monitoring connections vanished form the desktop when i changed form wireless to wired connection

the network center when called from the kde menu works perfectly but the icon disappeared and never showed up again

after i recovered the router and restart machine the app was on the task again, it seems that the problem is when you change between wireless and wired, the icon just vanishes

[Ika]

As I mentioned, I only made a live test on my laptop.
The Net-Applet vanished immediately after establishing the wireless connection.

What network adapter/driver is used?

How to find out it? (from the live media or from Windows)

Ika

[TerryN]

What network adapter/driver is used?

How to find out it? (from the live media or from Windows)

In a terminal as root run:

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lspci -nnk
and look for the network devices.  For example:

01:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Ralink corp. RT2790 Wireless 802.11n 1T/2R PCIe [1814:0781]
        Subsystem: Ralink corp. Device [1814:2790]
        Kernel driver in use: rt2860
        Kernel modules: rt2860sta, rt2800pci
04:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Atheros Communications Inc. AR8121/AR8113/AR8114 Gigabit or Fast Ethernet [1969:1026] (rev b0)
        Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:8324]
        Kernel driver in use: ATL1E
        Kernel modules: atl1e

Terry.

[Tony]

Regarding 32 bit, against 64 Bit.

Put simply, as I understand, the first is Data held in words of 2 x 2Bytes.  =  (2) x ( 2) x (8 bits).
 
Whereas 64 bit is doubled, being 4 x 2 Bytes.  ( 4 ) x (2) x (8 bits),  being MORE (Words) of data available to be easily processed, using the larger capacity's of RAM,  as Data is required.  

[kjpetrie]

Sort of. 64-bit processors would load 32-bit programs two long words at a time and process them in parallel where possible, which is why the 64-bit software is not twice as fast - just a little faster.