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Offline Myakka1

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My HP laptop comes with 2 installed hard drives.

When I start my computer with my LiveCD with the 2011 PCLinuxOS on it
I can see (sometimes) in Dolphin:
12.0 GiB Hard drive
282.2 GiB Hard drive

The smaller hard drive was originally the back up for Windows XP.  But Windows is thankfully long gone from my system.

But when I log in as root I can no longer see any Hard drives in Dolphin, also with my system running from the LiveCD I can't save anything or even make a file in the 12.0 GiB HD.

IF I can do that much, then I think I will be able to successfully follow the instructions for a poor man's install I have found using that HD as the LiveCD.

If this idea is completely crazy please do tell me.  I am hoping to be able to update my PCLinuxOS without burning lots of extra CD/DVDs.

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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2013, 01:58:15 PM »
While running PCLOS, open a terminal and do

fdisk  -l   (lower case L)

(you might need to be root)

Post back the output.


EDIT:

(There is a small script (BETA) that might help you do the LiveHDD install of PCLOS - PM me if you need it, after you have read this thread)
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,88330.0.html

« Last Edit: February 01, 2013, 02:35:21 PM by Just17 »
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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2013, 07:19:39 PM »

 I am hoping to be able to update my PCLinuxOS without burning lots of extra CD/DVDs.

Once you have your system installed you then update it by using 'Synaptic Package Manager'

Re "When I start my computer with my LiveCD with the2011 PCLinuxOS on it" Download the latest iso, it's a bit old that one is.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2013, 07:25:16 PM by pclinmike »
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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2013, 11:16:59 PM »
And unless your computer cannot boot from USB, LiveUSB should be the way to go these days.

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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2013, 09:45:46 PM »
I did actually manage to create a LiveUSB. 

I think I skipped over that possibility because the last time I tried to do that I failed.  Even this time the result had some hiccups -- but I have solved the important ones. 

This is the story of what was done about them, if you are interested:
Dolphin didn't auto install, but was easy to add from Synaptic.  There was an issue with displaying the desktop -- the panel and PC tab (all at the bottom of the screen here in KDE) were perfect, but the area of the desktop that shows the wallpaper and icons was entirely black like a 1980's computer screen.  I reinstalled kdelib4  (someone on Live Chat said to do that) and reloaded.  And no problems there any more.   The only remaining issue is an error message about NVidia when I start up -- it says something like NVidia is failing and it is going to the backup. BUT audio and video is working fine, so in my world this isn't even really a problem.

Any chance that there is an easy way to install the OS that is now on my USB onto my hard drive?

I found  this thread earlier and made the changes it said, but didn't know what to do with them once I made them.
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,102855.0.html
(When they didn't do anything I could see, I immediately undid them.)

Also I have opened the link to the HDDLive page but don't see where the program is for me to run.


There'd be something nice about having my OS in the 200+ Gigabyte environment of my computer's HD rather than the 3.7 GB thumb drive.  (But at the moment I'm quite happy to have an up-to-date and fully functioning OS of any sort.) 

This is an HP laptop around 2-3 years old or so.  I am running KDE as my sole OS on it.  I have KDE tweeked to look as much as possible like the Windoze versions I am familiar with.   My currently installed add ons to the basic system are: Abiword, Gnumeric, TouchPadToggle, the Luna widget, and I really think that that is everything.  Given that pretty basic level of computing, I'm thinking that your OS will go on doing everything I am interested in for years and years.




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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 09:57:08 PM »
While running PCLOS, ....


I don't see anything with exactly the name PCLOS in the PC tab -- the closest is the LiveUSB program.  Is that the one you are talking about?  OR is PCLOS something I need to look in Synaptic for?  Is it somewhere else on my file system?

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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 10:00:33 PM »
Oh, and the ISO I put on the LiveUSB is the new one.

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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2013, 10:05:05 PM »
And the ISO I used in the LiveUSB is still on my hard drive.

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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 03:47:42 AM »
PCLOS == PCLinuxOS ....  the operating system

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the ISO I put on the LiveUSB is the new one

That information will be useless in a short time when more 'new one's' are released.
Please specify the full name of the ISO so that others know exactly to which you refer.

And the ISO I used in the LiveUSB is still on my hard drive.

Yes ......  did you expect it to be deleted or something?

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I did actually manage to create a LiveUSB. 

I think I skipped over that possibility because the last time I tried to do that I failed.  Even this time the result had some hiccups -- but I have solved the important ones. 

This is the story of what was done about them, if you are interested:
Dolphin didn't auto install, but was easy to add from Synaptic.

Reading what you said were difficulties I suspect you used a LXDE ISO and not a KDE one .......  in which case there would be no Dolphin or other KDE apps etc.

If you had given the ISO info ("the new one") then we would know for certain  ;)

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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 08:27:09 PM »
Well, I just discovered that the USB auto-synced on to my hard drive.  (But there wasn't a little box or anything telling me it did that, so I didn't know.)

So, I really have everything I want just now.

Thank you.

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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 04:30:23 AM »
Well, I just discovered that the USB auto-synced on to my hard drive.  (But there wasn't a little box or anything telling me it did that, so I didn't know.)

So, I really have everything I want just now.

Thank you.

I have no idea what you mean .......  but if you are happy, I am happy ........  and you can mark the title of the first post in the thread as  [SOLVED]

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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 04:09:43 PM »
Just a suggestion which will help us help you Myakka1, and thus you have learning, and reference for the future. :)

1.) Ask your question, then when a response is made, do respond if you're unsure with a question, and reply with any information if asked.

For example:

 I am hoping to be able to update my PCLinuxOS without burning lots of extra CD/DVDs.


*Once you have your system installed you then update it by using 'Synaptic Package Manager'

Re "When I start my computer with my LiveCD with the2011 PCLinuxOS on it" Download the latest iso, it's a bit old that one is.

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*While running PCLOS, open a terminal and do

fdisk  -l   (lower case L)

(you might need to be root)

Post back the output.


EDIT:

(There is a small script (BETA) that might help you do the LiveHDD install of PCLOS - PM me if you need it, after you have read this thread)
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,88330.0.html
Myakka1
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*Any chance that there is an easy way to install the OS that is now on my USB onto my hard drive?
1.) I think if you had run:
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fdisk  -l   (lower case L)
you'd find that you have one Hard Drive, with two Partitions.
 "12.0 GiB Hard drive + 282.2 GiB Hard drive", is an odd combination, suggesting there's a small 12.0 GiB partition.
*Once you had your "Live USB" made up of the latest release of PCLinuxOS, (PCLOS) we could have helped Format your Hard Drive properly, and it would be a simple matter to Run the Live USB, and Install off of it to your clean Drive.  :)
Sorry, I know your thread is marked 'Solved', just thought I could help you see the 'Bigger Picture' as it were.  ;)

Just trying to help, and you did well to make a Live USB !
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I put this out there because maybe it will help someone.

How to update your LinuxOS from an outdated version using a LiveUSB
This is probably an over-explanation, containing steps you may not need.  I am assuming that if you know don't need a step, you'll skip it.  I haven't thought of everything here, either -- but hopefully it has the one thing you were struggling with.

Steps 1 and 2  give you a working OS with an up-to-date version of LiveUSB Creator on it.
1) Install the old version from your LiveCD.  This assumes your system has been wiped and you need to put something on it just to get going.

2) Update your Synaptic Repository listing as indicated here:  http://pclinuxoshelp.com/index.php/Choosing_the_Right_Repository

     Update only the LiveUSB Creator.  
  
This assumes that you can’t update your old distribution with Synaptic directly -- that you are too out of date for that.  When I tried to update that way it would result in the Operating System being erased and having to start over again from step 1.


Steps 3 and 4  give you a downloaded ISO that has been confirmed to be complete.
3) Download your ISO, and get your md5sum from here:   http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/pclinuxos/pclinuxos/live-cd/

4) Check your md5sum by opening a terminal.  

Konsole is the name of a terminal that is readily available on PCLinux-- find it under More Applications > Configuration .  AND for those who have been using computers through as many different versions as I have the terminal is indistinquishable (by me) from a C: prompt.  Anyone else remember those from 20 or more years ago?

Next move through the directories using the dir, cd .. , and cd [name of directory] until you are in the folder where your ISO is saved.  (dir gives a list of what is in the directory, cd .. moves you up a directory, cd [name of directory] moves you into one of the directories listed by dir)  I used Dolphin to help me know where to go.

Type md5sum [name of ISO].  
Wait.  (It took a couple minutes to give output.)
Check the generated code against the one on the source site.  If they are the same, you are good.  If they are not, your ISO is broken and you need to download it again.


5) Run the LiveUSB Creator, and make your LiveUSB.
     When I did it, I took the LiveUSB with Persistance option.  -- This allowed me to make sure everything I was wanting to use was working before I installed the OS on my system.   See Step 8 for more on this.

     I also chose the option where everything to start the LiveUSB was included.  That is, there were two optional items: Grub and a login screen (I might be remembering that second one wrong.)  and I chose to have both of them.

6)  If your computer does not load the OS on your LiveUSB...

How to know which OS is loading:
You can tell which OS is loading by the year.   If the year of the OS on the load up screen is the current one, you are good.  If not, then your computer is loading the old one.

To change this (at least on many systems), hit F10 as the very first picture (probably it has the name of the company that made your computer on it) is displayed.  After hitting F10, if you go through the options, you will find one that allows you to set the order in which the system looks for the CD, USB, and HD.  

For my situation, I chose the following order for my computer:
                1) CD/DVD
                2) all the USB options   (I admit to not understanding all of these, but ...)
                3) the hard drive

  For me it is really easy NOT to have a CD/DVD or USB not in the computer on startup, if I am not wanting to load a new version of PCLinux from it.  (That is my default to not have any of them in at that point.)  If I want a CD or USB for other reasons, it is easy for me to always put them in AFTER the computer is fully started and I am logged in to my account.
 
   With the above order, if you put them in BEFORE, you can expect the computer not to load up -- at which point it might give you an option to remove them OR you might need to take it out first and then start up your computer from the beginning.

7)  Load up your LiveUSB.  
        Plug it in.  Start your computer.  Wait.  If this doesn't work, see step 6.

8 )  Test the OS you have just loaded.  Does it do all the things you are going to be wanting it to?  Look especially at the areas where you know you have been having problems.
 
     In my case, sound was suddenly working just fine -- I had been having issues with it before, but Synaptic had a bunch of obsolete files, and Gnumeric’s save function wasn’t working.  By searching in the PCLinux Forums and trial and error, I eventually found solutions to all of these issues.

    In your worst case scenario where in your tinkering with the OS you completely mess it up, go back to step 5, and make a note of what not to do next time.  

      Keep at it.  Live and learn.  You can do this.

9)  Run the PCLinux Installer (it is right there before you on your desktop from the LiveUSB) and put your OS that now works for you on to your hard drive.

10) Put the final settings on to your OS.  Choose your wall paper.  Add additional files.  And so forth.
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Re: Using my 2nd hard drive in the place of a Live CD. (I have questions.)
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2013, 07:20:31 AM »
It is great to see you have researched all the things you found a problem, or didn't quite understand Myakka1, and shared these, with workarounds like 'What version of PCLOS is booting'. The "Persistence Mode" on Live USB, etc. :)

As far as Installing PCLinuxOS, I have to say it is always better to download the latest version of PCLinuxOS, whether it be the Full KDE version, LXDE, and/or their Mini versions.
You'll have a Clean Install that works.

If Dual Booting with Windows: Defragment it (Windows Partition) a few times to ensure all 'System Files' are packed together; when creating your Linux Partitions you can inadvertantly Over-Write some files leaving it unbootable, on the odd occassion.
Also backup Windows Master Boot Record (MBR).
A Utility I favor is MbrFix , although there are many ways to do this.

If doing an install of the latest supported PCLinuxOS.
1.) Download your version choice.  http://www.pclinuxos.com/?page_id=180 Look to the Top Right of this page.
( Obviously with a Computer that has an Operating System, don't wipe the Hard Drive before.)  :D

2.) Make the PCLinuxOS (version xxxx).iso a CD/DVD/, or if your BIOS supports it, a LiveUSB, preferably the former.
3.) Boot the live CD/DVD and start the installation by clicking on "Install PcLinuxOS" which is on the Desktop.
4.) Once the 'Wizard' has guided you through the installation, you've set your Partition sizes for root (/), Home, and Swap  --  And your options for Grub Bootloader your ready to go.
5.) Reboot if need be and Update your System, using Synaptic. A nice new 'Clean Install' will greet you !

6.) Doing a Search on this Forum for "Install PCLinuxOS" will give Results on these steps.

Also visit PCLinuxOS Wiki for further information.




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