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Online Georgetoon

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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2013, 12:43:04 PM »
interesting info, but, what memo?

i updated two days ago and nothing weird happened ???

If you are using PASS, you are unaffected.
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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2013, 12:52:57 PM »
interesting info, but, what memo?

i updated two days ago and nothing weird happened ???


If you are using PASS, you are unaffected.


PASS isn't a public mirror so won't be affected!

UPDATE:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php/topic,112036.0.html
« Last Edit: January 06, 2013, 12:55:11 PM by YouCanToo »




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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2013, 01:08:23 PM »
since i never had access to pass, then i should use the nluug repo then?  thanks
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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2013, 01:22:12 PM »
@µT6
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for now, till the solution for the other mirrors is in place ;)

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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2013, 03:21:53 PM »
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Did you not have a separate /home partition?

thought I did as it's standard for new installs isn't it?


Looking into it further I don't see a separate home
partition. I could swear it was the default at some
point in the past. How do I change it now?

Do you have a free partition, or space to create one?


Yes I have a small (29 GB) free space.

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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2013, 05:00:12 PM »
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Did you not have a separate /home partition?

thought I did as it's standard for new installs isn't it?


Looking into it further I don't see a separate home
partition. I could swear it was the default at some
point in the past. How do I change it now?

Do you have a free partition, or space to create one?


Yes I have a small (29 GB) free space.

Before going any further, as root, enter;

[root@localhost ~]# fdisk -l                                      <Enter>

Post your results.
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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2013, 05:19:54 PM »

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x2169e425

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *        2048      409599      203776    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2          409600   440729599   220160000    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda3       502941694   950091775   223575041    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda4       950091776   976771071    13339648    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda5       502941696   931880959   214469632   83  Linux
/dev/sda6       931883008   950091775     9104384   82  Linux swap / Solaris

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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2013, 05:49:12 PM »

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders, total 976773168 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x2169e425

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *        2048      409599      203776    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2          409600   440729599   220160000    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda3       502941694   950091775   223575041    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda4       950091776   976771071    13339648    7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda5       502941696   931880959   214469632   83  Linux
/dev/sda6       931883008   950091775     9104384   82  Linux swap / Solaris

I'm not seeing extra space that's currently usable. I do see an out of order primary partition (/dev/sda4) following a full extended partition containing /dev/sda5 and /dev/sda6. The only space that seems to be left would be between /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3, and you can't put a primary partition there, because you've used them all up.

What, exactly is on /dev/sda4? I'm thinking change /dev/sda4 to a logical partition, freeing up a primary partition designation. Then the space between /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3 would become usable. You should be able to do this without any loss of data on the current /dev/sda4, but I would still backup anything important in there, just in case. The current /dev/sda4 would become /dev/sda7 if set as a logical partition, and the extended partition would grow to include it.
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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2013, 05:55:13 PM »
Device: sda4
Volume label: RECOVERY                      <-----------Windows recovery partition.
DOS drive letter: E (just a guess)
Type: NTFS-3G
Size: 12GB (2%)


Empty                                                    <-----------Free Space
Size: 29GB (6%)
Cylinder 27434 to 31306

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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2013, 06:10:36 PM »
Device: sda4
Volume label: RECOVERY                      <-----------Windows recovery partition.
DOS drive letter: E (just a guess)
Type: NTFS-3G
Size: 12GB (2%)


Empty                                                    <-----------Free Space
Size: 29GB (6%)
Cylinder 27434 to 31306


We need to see those as sectors, not cylinders. If Windows, with their weird view of partitions, demands that the recovery partition be a primary partition, you are kind of screwed. If windows will accept the recovery partition being a logical partition, you should be OK to proceed. I haven't run any version of Windows since Win2K, and don't have a clue about what restrictions MS might have placed on their more recent partitioning schemes.
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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2013, 06:13:41 PM »
Ok will leave it as is. I'm not taking any more chances leaving
my self no backup OS. I do appreciate your help.

What strikes me as strange is Control Center
Manage Disk Partitions doesn't show sda3 at all?
« Last Edit: January 06, 2013, 06:33:55 PM by saltcedar »

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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2013, 06:24:37 PM »
Ok will leave it as is. I'm not taking any more chances leaving
my self no backup OS. I do appreciate your help.

Don't give up yet. Someone running a more current Windows version might know about whether that partition can be a logical one or not. They didn't have such things back in the Win2K days, so it's only us die hard long term "Linux only guys" that are in the dark about such things. ;D

Wait a bit, until one or those guys has a chance to post a reply, before deciding what to do next.
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Re: I didn't get the memo!
« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2013, 01:49:59 AM »
Ok will leave it as is. I'm not taking any more chances leaving
my self no backup OS. I do appreciate your help.

What strikes me as strange is Control Center
Manage Disk Partitions doesn't show sda3 at all?


Technically, the extended partition is not a real partition so doesn't contain a filesystem. Rather it is a container that holds all the logical partitions, each of which has its own filesystem. The extended partition is described as a primary partition in the MBR code, so the system knows of its existence, and where to find the information describing each of the logical partitions it contains. This was brought about because there is only enough room in the MBR to describe 4 partitions. The descriptions of the logical partitions are written withing the extended partition itself.

When we talk about mounting a partition, it is the filesystem within the partition that is actually mounted, not the partition itself, The partition only describes the outer limits of the contained filesystem. It is possible to have a filesystem that is smaller than the partition size, but not one that is larger. If one has the room to enlarge a partition, because more data holding space is needed for its contained filesystem, the process is actually done in two steps. In the first step the partition's ending sector is redefined. In the second step the filesystem is grown by adding extra inodes until the new partition size is filled. The GUI applications do this in a way that appears to the user as only one step, but both steps occur separately in the background. Using the command line tools, each step is handled separately by two individual applications.

What the disk manager shows is actually the contained filesystems of each partition. Because there is no single filesystem contained by the extended partition, it is not shown, but the individual filesystems of the contained logical partitions are, and are referenced by the designation of the containing partition. By definition partition numbers 1-4 are reserved for the four possible primary partitions that can be listed in the MBR, and the numbers 5 and above always represent logical partitions. The proper procedure to partitioning is to use all of the primary partitions first. If the total number of partitions is four or less, they should all be primary partitions, If more than four partitions are needed the first three should be normal primary partitions, and the fourth should be an extended partition, starting immediately after the third primary partition and ending at the last usable sector of the hard drive. When this partitioning scheme is followed only logical partitions can then be created thereafter.

Microsoft, because of the way partitions are described as individual lettered drives, in their operating systems, rather than partitions, deliberately broke the best practice rules and introduced the one normal primary partition followed immediately by an extended partition as the second primary partition scheme. This leaves two primary partition numbers unaccounted for, and introduces the possibility to create more primary partitions later, which can lead to confusion because the partitions, as they are displayed, will not be in the proper order as they are actually arranged on the disk. Worse, the additional primary partitions can end up within an extended partition's reserved space, thus creating problems for the operating system's read/write operations.

At the time this scheme was developed, MS developed their own limited partitioning tools to always follow the same rules, and not create more than one normal primary partition per physical drive. Evidently they couldn't conceive of the possibility that two, or more, operating systems might be installed on the same physical hard drive, by the systems owner, or that they would be anything other than MS operating systems. Because Windows operating systems became the established norm, some Linux GUI partitioning applications default to using this scheme, for compatibility, while others do not, and allow for proper partition management. The command line tools always allow for proper partitioning, or MS compatibility, and assume the user has the intelligence and knowledge to decide which is best for a given situation.

More information than you asked for, I'm sure, but enough to give you something to think about.  ;D

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