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Offline agmg

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Time Difference
« on: January 05, 2013, 12:59:13 AM »
I have found an addon for Firefox which is called "FoxClocks".
It can display the time from different cities and/or countries in the world in the addon bar of the browser (it is also available for Chrome, I think).
I want to add a couple of cities/countries so to know what the time is for other members in the forum.

I know forum time is 7 hours before my time but what is the location? Chicago?
I know most of you live in the US and we have a big time difference.
So far, I have added Chicago, Ireland, UK, China, Germany. Any other?

I'm awake when most of you are sleeping :P
« Last Edit: January 05, 2013, 01:05:39 AM by agmg »
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2013, 01:03:03 AM »
Try Texas (Dallas on FoxClocks)

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Also on Central European Time.
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2013, 01:07:15 AM »
Try Texas (Dallas on FoxClocks)

Russell.
Also on Central European Time.

Chicago and Dallas are in the same time zone.

Also on Central European Time? You mean United States -> Central Time?
« Last Edit: January 05, 2013, 01:12:12 AM by agmg »
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2013, 01:17:12 AM »
I'm a little confused...

Forum info:
Current forum time: 05 January 2013, 03:12:25
Time offset: -7 hours (auto-detect).

Dallas and Chicago are 6 hours back.
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2013, 01:43:28 AM »
New Zealand Daylight Time is 13 hours ahead of UTC. Currently, we are in mid summer. Over winter, we are 12 hours ahead of UTC.
Now we are 18 hours ahead of forum time.

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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2013, 02:52:03 AM »
I'm a little confused...

Forum info:
Current forum time: 05 January 2013, 03:12:25
Time offset: -7 hours (auto-detect).

Dallas and Chicago are 6 hours back.
sorry, I forgot that Greece is on Eastern European time rather than Central European Time.  I'm in France on CET.

The time standard is UT (Universal time), used to be called Greenwich Mean Time but was renamed a few years back for political correctness :(

Greece is on UT+2 and Texas (where Texstar is located) is on UT -6 so I would expect you to see 8 hours difference.  I am assuming the PCLinux time would be set to where it first started but perhaps someone knows different. 

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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2013, 08:17:47 AM »
I'm a little confused...

Forum info:
Current forum time: 05 January 2013, 03:12:25
Time offset: -7 hours (auto-detect).

Dallas and Chicago are 6 hours back.
sorry, I forgot that Greece is on Eastern European time rather than Central European Time.  I'm in France on CET.

The time standard is UT (Universal time), used to be called Greenwich Mean Time but was renamed a few years back for political correctness :(

Not really. UTC or Coordinated Universal Time replaced GMT as an international standard in the early 1960s, but not simply because the change was politically correct.

Coordinated Universal Time is ever-so-slightly more exact than Greenwich Mean Time: GMT stands for the solar time at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich, while UTC is based on International Atomic Time "with leap seconds added at irregular intervals to synchronize with the Earth's rotation" (to quote Wikipedia). So GMT was and is astronomically calculated based on observations made in Greenwich while UTC isn't - even if astronomical data are used to adjust it.

On the other hand the abbreviation UTC may indeed be seen as the result of a striving for political correctness, but not because it replaced "Greenwich" with "Universal". English speaking people wanted to use the acronym "CUT" for "Coordinated Universal Time" and the French speakers wanted to use "TUC" for "temps universel coordonné", so UTC is a compromise, signifying nothing but usable everywhere. (Unfortunately it isn't an acronym or even a real abbreviation.)

In practical terms the difference between GMT and UTC is so small that you won't ever notice it.

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Greece is on UT+2 and Texas (where Texstar is located) is on UT -6 so I would expect you to see 8 hours difference.  I am assuming the PCLinux time would be set to where it first started but perhaps someone knows different.  

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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2013, 07:22:07 AM »
When you say "solar time" you of course mean "mean solar time" as solar time is very different from mean time.

The day in (northern) midwinter is about a minute longer than the day in Summer, because the Earth's orbit isn't round, so solar time falls behind mean time and then catches up again. Of course no one noticed that until reasonably accurate clocks appeared, but clocks (and the atoms behind UTC) keep mean time rather than the slightly fluctuating solar time, since the length of a day, minute or second doesn't depend on the angular velocity of the Earth at a particular point in its orbit, just on the period of the inbuilt oscillator (pendulum, crystal or atoms).

So clocks and sundials don't actually keep the same time, and a well-made sundial will have additional markings to tell you what correction to apply at various times of year to convert to clock (mean) time. "Watch faster" and "Watch slower" are the markings I have seen.
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2013, 07:31:54 AM »
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 07:41:47 AM »
Thanks guys! Interesting info :)

My confusion was about forum time which is UTC -5. I guess the server is not located in Texas?

The purpose of this thread was to have some members suggest cities/countries (their location) so I would know the time difference between us.

For example, JohnW who just posted the link is only 1 hour behind me.
If I had a serious problem and would like to ask him something, I wouldn't worry if he lost his sleep for me :D :D
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 07:53:36 AM »
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I guess the server is not located in Texas?

It's located in California, US (ENKI is the webhost of PCLinuxOS).

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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 07:56:16 AM »
Thanks John :)
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2013, 07:58:01 AM »
But again, the forum time doesn't much the one in California.

Forum time: 06 January 2013, 09:57:06
California: 06 January 2013, 06:57:06

???

I just added Georgia which matches the forum time and renamed it to "Forum Time" :)
« Last Edit: January 06, 2013, 08:02:35 AM by agmg »
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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2013, 08:08:35 AM »
Did a IP trace:

IP address: 199.231.58.82
Host name: pclinuxos.com
Alias: pclinuxos.com
199.231.58.82 is from United States(US) in region North America

TraceRoute from Network-Tools.com to 199.231.58.82 [pclinuxos.com]
Hop   (ms)   (ms)   (ms)           IP Address   Host name
1      1      0      0         8.9.232.73    xe-5-3-0.edge3.dallas1.level3.net 
2      0      0      0         4.69.145.254    vlan90.csw4.dallas1.level3.net 
3      0      0      0         4.69.151.170    ae-93-93.ebr3.dallas1.level3.net 
4      32      32      32         4.69.132.77    ae-3-3.ebr2.losangeles1.level3.net 
5      42      48      49         4.69.148.202    ae-6-6.ebr2.sanjose5.level3.net 
6      42      42      44         4.69.148.142    ae-2-2.ebr2.sanjose1.level3.net 
7      51      49      50         4.69.153.22    ae-72-72.csw2.sanjose1.level3.net 
8      43      43      43         4.69.152.71    ae-2-70.edge1.sanjose2.level3.net 
9      50      46      46         69.22.153.214    ae4.ar1.pao1.us.nlayer.net 
10      57      54      53         69.174.121.137     - 
11      45      50      53         69.174.120.181     - 
12      45      45      46         69.174.120.237     - 
13      53      53      53         67.220.135.57     - 
14      54      54      54         69.167.77.230     - 
15      54      55      54         199.231.58.82     - 

Trace complete

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Re: Time Difference
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2013, 05:48:29 PM »
I have found an addon for Firefox which is called "FoxClocks".
It can display the time from different cities and/or countries in the world in the addon bar of the browser (it is also available for Chrome, I think).
I want to add a couple of cities/countries so to know what the time is for other members in the forum.

I know forum time is 7 hours before my time but what is the location? Chicago?
I know most of you live in the US and we have a big time difference.
So far, I have added Chicago, Ireland, UK, China, Germany. Any other?

I'm awake when most of you are sleeping :P


Will check into it.

JohnW_57, love your link... http://www.worldtimezone.com
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