recreating activity found in PC LInux

[newbi462]

Recreating the grid view activity template in another distro?

I give up and can not figure out what settings were used to create that grid template that locks folder views and widgets to a grid... I am basically trying to pull all the UI/UX parts I like together... PCLIn has some of them, but as of late the distro is going away from what I want my PC to be so kind of being forced to switch distros..... any help to make this smooth would be thank full.....

[µT6]

before you switch distros, you could tell us what is the reason or change that makes you switch  to another distro, maybe we can help

if what you need is port the fullmonty desktop, this was asked before and pinoc said that he won't put effort on that, there is a bit long post about that, basically he said that if you want it on other distro, you will have to put the same things present here and configure them the same way, not impossible to do he said  but will require considerable effort

[Bald Brick]

Recreating the grid view activity template in another distro?

I give up and can not figure out what settings were used to create that grid template that locks folder views and widgets to a grid... I am basically trying to pull all the UI/UX parts I like together... PCLIn has some of them, but as of late the distro is going away from what I want my PC to be so kind of being forced to switch distros..... any help to make this smooth would be thank full.....

Do you mean that you don't have the Grid Desktop activity template? Or the Grid Desktop layout in Desktop Settings? They are present here.

Or do you mean that a Grid Desktop works differently in another distro?

[newbi462]

Recreating the grid view activity template in another distro?

I give up and can not figure out what settings were used to create that grid template that locks folder views and widgets to a grid... I am basically trying to pull all the UI/UX parts I like together... PCLIn has some of them, but as of late the distro is going away from what I want my PC to be so kind of being forced to switch distros..... any help to make this smooth would be thank full.....

Do you mean that you don't have the Grid Desktop activity template? Or the Grid Desktop layout in Desktop Settings? They are present here.

Or do you mean that a Grid Desktop works differently in another distro?

dont have the Grid Desktop activity template

[newbi462]

before you switch distros, you could tell us what is the reason or change that makes you switch  to another distro, maybe we can help

if what you need is port the fullmonty desktop, this was asked before and pinoc said that he won't put effort on that, there is a bit long post about that, basically he said that if you want it on other distro, you will have to put the same things present here and configure them the same way, not impossible to do he said  but will require considerable effort

t

I have tried to point  where PClin is going in the wrong direction.... It has made it clear it do not care.... the attempts try and stear the diistro back towards why I used it are always killed... and tweaking it back to that is being made harder and harder.... Honestly I am sick of fighting with it to get the PC I want. been using it since 06 but as of late just it is.... I am sick of fighting the OS wanting to go where it seems to want to go...

I would give you specifics but sure if I did the thread would be yanked... and that is like I said just tired of fighting PCLin trying to make it a good OS once more like it once was...

[newbi462]

if what you need is port the fullmonty desktop, this was asked before and pinoc said that he won't put effort on that, there is a bit long post about that, basically he said that if you want it on other distro, you will have to put the same things present here and configure them the same way, not impossible to do he said  but will require considerable effort

I dont know what is and is not monty..... All know is a few small pieces of things here and there I would like on my new system if I can

[Bald Brick]

newbi462,

I misread your first post and thought you wanted to import some functionality that you'd found in another distro into PCLinuxOS, but now I realize that what you want to do is the opposite.

But I do remember reading some complaints about the lack grid and grouping layouts in the KDE version of that other distro. If you wanted them, you had to compile them yourself. This was about a year ago and I don't know if it is still the case. To find out you should probably do a Google search for something like "kde grid desktop". Or check the forums of the other distro.

[Just17]

Recreating the grid view activity template in another distro?

I give up and can not figure out what settings were used to create that grid template that locks folder views and widgets to a grid... I am basically trying to pull all the UI/UX parts I like together... PCLIn has some of them, but as of late the distro is going away from what I want my PC to be so kind of being forced to switch distros..... any help to make this smooth would be thank full.....

Surely the place to get answers on how to get the Grid layout on another distro is their forum?

[µT6]

before you switch distros, you could tell us what is the reason or change that makes you switch  to another distro, maybe we can help

if what you need is port the fullmonty desktop, this was asked before and pinoc said that he won't put effort on that, there is a bit long post about that, basically he said that if you want it on other distro, you will have to put the same things present here and configure them the same way, not impossible to do he said  but will require considerable effort

t

I have tried to point  where PClin is going in the wrong direction.... It has made it clear it do not care.... the attempts try and stear the diistro back towards why I used it are always killed... and tweaking it back to that is being made harder and harder.... Honestly I am sick of fighting with it to get the PC I want. been using it since 06 but as of late just it is.... I am sick of fighting the OS wanting to go where it seems to want to go...

I would give you specifics but sure if I did the thread would be yanked... and that is like I said just tired of fighting PCLin trying to make it a good OS once more like it once was...

you don't explain much here

i have been using pclinux since 2007 and i haven't seen the change of direction you mention, also haven't had to fight with the distro or the de, other than when we got kde4 and that was only a month while i learned how to disable what i don't like and use what i need

i assume that you want to use kubuntu, i wouldn't choose that distro as my plan b but i hope you have your reasons to do that, there is better kde distros afik but honestly i haven't used other distros in years so can't say much

if other distros doesn't make a good kde4 implementation and pclinux does, there is not much where we can help you to migrate, other than wish you luck in the process

[newbi462]

before you switch distros, you could tell us what is the reason or change that makes you switch  to another distro, maybe we can help

if what you need is port the fullmonty desktop, this was asked before and pinoc said that he won't put effort on that, there is a bit long post about that, basically he said that if you want it on other distro, you will have to put the same things present here and configure them the same way, not impossible to do he said  but will require considerable effort

t

I have tried to point  where PClin is going in the wrong direction.... It has made it clear it do not care.... the attempts try and stear the diistro back towards why I used it are always killed... and tweaking it back to that is being made harder and harder.... Honestly I am sick of fighting with it to get the PC I want. been using it since 06 but as of late just it is.... I am sick of fighting the OS wanting to go where it seems to want to go...

I would give you specifics but sure if I did the thread would be yanked... and that is like I said just tired of fighting PCLin trying to make it a good OS once more like it once was...

you don't explain mush here

i have been using pclinux since 2007 and i haven't seen the change of direction you mention, also haven't had to fight with the distro or the de, other than when we got kde4 and that was only a month while i learned how to disable what i don't like and use what i need

i assume that you want to use kubuntu, i wouldn't choose that distro as my plan b but i hope you have your reasons to do that, there is better kde distros afik but honestly i haven't used other distros in years so can't say much

if other distros doesn't make a good kde4 implementation and pclinux does, there is not much where we can help you to migrate, other than wish you luck in the process

Kubuntu is not on my list.....

The thread will get yanked now probably but hope you get the answer to your question before it is...the wrong direction:
1) ditching Amarok for Clementine ( while you can change it because Amarok is no longer priority your forced to maintain it from out side the repo if you want modern bits of it)
2) lack of 64 bit ver or native PEK support (modern systems often have more than 4GB of ram, I need more today,....)
3) lack of package and hardware support ( more and more if you want something that has become available to linux you being forced to go out side the PClin repo, and it do not suport alot of modern hardware that many distros do )
4) the UI is being steered retro/mac ( More and more the OOTB setting are some wired clone of win 95 the and OS X, end of the day less and less good KDE, and more and more lets try and look like others.... well the degree with which you have to tweak and retweak to undo this... you better off to use another distro.... yes you will need to tweak over there to but when done you will have a distro that is more widely supported)

End of the day, and I did not notice it either as when you call that rolling update you do not realize how many things have changed.... what finally did it for me was a friend liked my system so we put PC lin on theirs,,, it took a week+ to get it like mine. Sounds like you came in about like me.... around the KDE4 change. I would call that the PClin golden days, it was great, and if your system is a roll from then it still is.... not going to rush to take it off of that system. But if you have a new system, and are doing a fresh install..... you will ask your self a few steps in HEYYY! happened.

I have a new laptop, and after the PAIN it was on my friends system a not even looking at it for new installs any more... I am getting closer to what my 07 rolled update PClin box is it was starting with another distro with far less effort. It is sad to see, but it is what it is.

I do not know why the distro is in love with what it is these days, but it is

[Just17]

The thread will get yanked now probably but hope you get the answer to your question before it is...the wrong direction:

Hopefully not

1) ditching Amarok for Clementine ( while you can change it because Amarok is no longer priority your forced to maintain it from out side the repo if you want modern bits of it)

There is a world of difference between 'ditching' something, and changing a default selection on an ISO.
AFAIAA Amarok is not 'ditched' and can be installed from the repo just like any other piece of software.

I also have no idea from where you get the notion that it is no longer maintained.

Does it need to be updated?
Was an update request posted?

2) lack of 64 bit ver or native PEK support (modern systems often have more than 4GB of ram, I need more today,....)

I don't know what "native PEK support" means, but will assume you mean pae kernel for access to greater than 4GB of RAM.
PCLinux has had for many years pae kernels in the repository.
That has not changed .....  although it seems that kernel development is not as well manned as it needs to be.

The 64 bit info is on the forum, so no need to comment .....  except to say .....  developer time is needed ...  so if anyone wishes to contribute I am sure it would be welcomed ......

3) lack of package and hardware support ( more and more if you want something that has become available to linux you being forced to go out side the PClin repo, and it do not suport alot of modern hardware that many distros do )

Too general a statement to make any meaningful comment on it.

Apparently you have some specific needs in hardware support that have not been met.

Did you make package requests for the packages you perceive as being missing?

Is there a reason those requests were not met?

4) the UI is being steered retro/mac ( More and more the OOTB setting are some wired clone of win 95 the and OS X, end of the day less and less good KDE, and more and more lets try and look like others.... well the degree with which you have to tweak and retweak to undo this... you better off to use another distro.... yes you will need to tweak over there to but when done you will have a distro that is more widely supported)

Again it seems you do not like the default settings chosen for the ISO/s.

Join the club!  An ISO cannot please everyone.
At least we can easily change it to suit our needs .....  including a Grid layout.

I haven't seen any other distro with the defaults as I like them either .....  so to me there is no difference.

End of the day, and I did not notice it either as when you call that rolling update you do not realize how many things have changed.... what finally did it for me was a friend liked my system so we put PC lin on theirs,,, it took a week+ to get it like mine.

You could have remastered your system to install it and not have had the need to spend a 'week+' getting it to the way you like it.

Sounds like you came in about like me.... around the KDE4 change. I would call that the PClin golden days, it was great, and if your system is a roll from then it still is.... not going to rush to take it off of that system. But if you have a new system, and are doing a fresh install..... you will ask your self a few steps in HEYYY! happened.

I have a new laptop, and after the PAIN it was on my friends system a not even looking at it for new installs any more... I am getting closer to what my 07 rolled update PClin box is it was starting with another distro with far less effort. It is sad to see, but it is what it is.

I do not know why the distro is in love with what it is these days, but it is

I hope you have less pain wherever you decide to go  

Hopefully they will be able to give you instructions how to get your Grid layout without too much trouble ....  and then include it in their future ISOs for your future installs.

[µT6]

"1) ditching Amarok for Clementine ( while you can change it because Amarok is no longer priority your forced to maintain it from out side the repo if you want modern bits of it)"

lots of people complained about amarok and wanted clementine, so this was a simple decision to make, i never used amarok or clementine enough to miss them, i use deadbeef

"2) lack of 64 bit ver or native PEK support (modern systems often have more than 4GB of ram, I need more today,....)"

it is not easy to make a 64 bit distro, but it is comming, you can install the beta if you want

"3) lack of package and hardware support ( more and more if you want something that has become available to linux you being forced to go out side the PClin repo, and it do not suport alot of modern hardware that many distros do )"

i only have seen that with drivers for printers, that sometimes cannot be added to repos for the licenses they have, sometimes no one asked to be added to the repo or nobody helped to add it, you know that pclinux is made by volunteers, working in their free time with their own resources, their own pcs

"4) the UI is being steered retro/mac ( More and more the OOTB setting are some wired clone of win 95 the and OS X, end of the day less and less good KDE, and more and more lets try and look like others.... well the degree with which you have to tweak and retweak to undo this... you better off to use another distro.... yes you will need to tweak over there to but when done you will have a distro that is more widely supported)"

that is a matter of taste, you can edit the de you use the way you want, you can access kde look to install as much modifications as you want, we are not limited to the repos only, you can see that in my monthly screenshots, my desktop doesn't look like windows, osx or another linux desktop

i do what i want with the style of my desktop and you should do the same but you choose to say that you don't like and doesn't mention what you have done to change it

"But if you have a new system, and are doing a fresh install..... you will ask your self a few steps in HEYYY! happened."

i did that last month, all went as expected with a exception of a video card problem that can't be fixed because the video card itself is damaged

"I have a new laptop, and after the PAIN it was on my friends system a not even looking at it for new installs any more... I am getting closer to what my 07 rolled update PClin box is it was starting with another distro with far less effort. It is sad to see, but it is what it is."

you keep talking about general details, nothing specific we can discuss or agree, so we won't

"I do not know why the distro is in love with what it is these days, but it is "

honestly, you are complaining about changes that are normal to a rolling release distro, if this is the case, why did you choose to use a rolling release distro if you don't like to see things change?

if you have been here for so long, you know why some things have been made the way it has been done, complain now about changes and problems with new hardware doesn't have much sense, specially knowing that linux will always change fast and always will have problems with new hardware for know reasons, lack of manufacturer support

anyway, we are offtopic now

[newbi462]

Well an Amarok every time I go to the forms there I find the solution is in a new ver than is available in the PCLin repo.... So either it is being neglected or the distro is falling behind the curve... I have sympathy, and can understand it being low priority with it nor being the goal of the distro any more... and I here you on the you cannot please everyone.... I dont try only try and please me:)... not saying it has to support Amarok at all just saying it is a deal breaker for me....

PEK

oops should be PAE the think that makes 32 bit 35 bit so it can address larger than 4GB... my bad... I know it is hard to do and making a distro is alot of work... if it were not would have made my own by now.... But I still am looking for the OS I am looking for....

lack of package and hardware support

I know it is not entirely PClins fault but the last 3 new systems I tried to get it running on it would not even boot... and have got the impreshion I will have better luck with IVY BRIDGE + 640m set up that is my new laptop on another OS... AM I WRONG? can PClin support this Laptop, and get COMPIZ running on it, plus hibernate AKA suspend to disk when it has 16GB of RAM, and the gester track pad?

OOBT ... that is a matter of taste,....

I agree 100% but  honestly one of the reasons I picked PClinux back in the day is it was one of the few I did not need to spend the first weekend tweaking the UI to death to live with it.... and for a while that syayed true... as of late I need to tweak more than other distros... and for less packages and support by the out side world.... I know it is a very subjective point.... but I have found my self asking why when the fact that I did not need to was one of the reason I picked the distro am I now doing way more in this area..... But if it was the only one you would be right I would be just nagging....


.....

I know linux is not perfect... no platform is... but annoying when it works on Linux A and not Linux B you know.... If the DL ever works again can do a frsh burn and give it a go.... but was lead to belever in the recent past that PCLIN offishiol stance was "your just dumb if you dont like the changes leave.... your domb for liking what the OS was it is this now don't let the door hit you on the way out, or better yet do" I am paraphrasing but kind of got the impression they wanted us old users to leave so they could get on with the new agenda.... So I started looking for an OS that would fit the build for future installs of Linux.....

In my mind was if PClinux wanted me to stop using it so much I guess I needed to....

[µT6]

"I dont try only try and please me:)... not saying it has to support Amarok at all just saying it is a deal breaker for me...."

you say it is a deal breaker, so you like amarok alot, you still can install it, why is a eal breaker?

i don't find every app i usee in the livecd when i install, should i stop using pclinux?

if you really like to help the distro and you like so much amarok, then you can help the distro by keeping in touch with ever patch and every modification to make it usable, light and useful for most user, when we abandoned it, it wansn't working well, prone to crash and slow, probably it is alot better now but i won't test it because i like a light app to play songs, amarok will never be that

"oops should be PAE the think that makes 32 bit 35 bit so it can address larger than 4GB... my bad..."

35 bit?  is it a joke or what?  it is just enable pae extensions on a capable cpu, nothing more, 35bit, sounds like a bad joke

"I know it is not entirely PClins fault but the last 3 new systems I tried to get it running on it would not even boot... and have got the impreshion I will have better luck with IVY BRIDGE + 640m set up that is my new laptop on another OS... AM I WRONG? can PClin support this Laptop, and get COMPIZ running on it, plus hibernate AKA suspend to disk when it has 16GB of RAM, and the gester track pad?"

if you try to run compiz, that has been somewhat abandoned by most distros for two reasons

1. kwin is really close to what it compiz does and also is working as fast without much problem you will have problems

2. compiz is not what it was 2 years ago, if you visit compiz page, 0.8.8 is still the latest stable version, that was almost 4 years ago released, there is a 0.9.5 but afik, it is not stable and most distros are not using it

so we, as kde users moved to kwin, for good for most of us, specially since some of us have unsupported hardware that in kwin most times supports very well

intel lately has released hardware that is not friendly with linux, especially hd3000 and hd4000 video cards, i must say that i am not happy with gma card i have and that is 3 year old hardware, there is other cpus released lately that will not work in linux, can't remember which one

have a laptop with two video cards has always been a problem, if yours have a nvidia 640m and the cpu has another video card, there is methods to disable the intel one and leave the other work but there is no standard, each one is handling this in a different way and of course, you can expect problems

about hibernation, well, that never worked well for me on windows so in linux i don't expect much from it, possibly you need a newer kernel for that hardware but this is mostly speculation from my part

"I agree 100% but  honestly one of the reasons I picked PClinux back in the day is it was one of the few I did not need to spend the first weekend tweaking the UI to death to live with it...."

you are telling me that you liked to run the distro without modifications?  the main idea of run linux is make modifications, we have a monthly screenshots section to show what each one has done to customize the desktop

in the old days of kde 3.5, i used a considerable amount of time to make it work the way i wanted, probably 5+ hours including iconset, cursor, window colors, decoration, taskbars and many other things including many superkaramba widgets i made and others i installed, beryl and lots of other small details

now just download cursor, iconset and put the two new taskbars with a couple widgets, colors and simple modifications like doubleclick takes me 20 minutes

i wonder how do you configure things to complain about that amount of time(two days), perhaps i'm missing something?

[parnote]

Well an Amarok every time I go to the forms there I find the solution is in a new ver than is available in the PCLin repo.... So either it is being neglected or the distro is falling behind the curve... I have sympathy, and can understand it being low priority with it nor being the goal of the distro any more... and I here you on the you cannot please everyone.... I dont try only try and please me:)... not saying it has to support Amarok at all just saying it is a deal breaker for me....

PCLinuxOS has NEVER been, nor tried to be, a "cutting edge" distro. PCLinuxOS ALWAYS opts for stability over "cutting edge." If you want the most cutting edge distro, then that would be the one that starts with "Fed" and ends with "ora".

Most of us around here have come to expect, and appreciate, the emphasis on stability.