More silly patent stories

[bicol_willem]

another-apple-patent-gets-smacked-down

Good: Another Apple Patent Gets Smacked Down

Bad: here's a video of Jeff Han, a scientist at New York University, showing off a multi-touch screen at a TED conference in February 2006 - a year and a half before the iPhone came out. (Han founded a company called Perceptive Pixel, and sold it to Microsoft in 2012.)

Groklaw:
"So here's a question. Does Samsung get any of its money back? I mean the money it spent and is spending to invalidate this stupid patent? The money it spent on trial over this stupid patent? The money it spent finding the prior art that Apple should have found before filing for this stupid patent? No. Nothing in US patent system is that fair."

What a pain in the **s all these patents!     Worse: Consumers always, somehow are made to pay for it. 

[µT6]

a considerable amount of apple patents are related to stupid details or how to interact with a technology they sell

as showed before some are so stupid that patent office should sue apple for wastin that much time on this crap

or perhaps people shpuld start suing the patent office for giving patents on things that shouldn't be possible to patent?

they patented the way to move your fingers over a capacitive screen!  that is madness!

shapes on buttons on a mobile device, the shape of a mobile device and similar things that are just stupid

when more of this dumb patents are revoked, apple will become the most desired target for this dumb lawsuits and they will loose most of them, all they have is those ridiculous patents and their bad attitude, they should focus on doing business with other companies but they will become the preferred cow to get milk

now 100 billin in the bank are the dream of the other competitors and they know how to get their hand on them while enjoying the destruction of that company

i can't imagine how samsung and other companies will enjoy the results of this

[Just17]

another-apple-patent-gets-smacked-down

Good: Another Apple Patent Gets Smacked Down

Bad: here's a video of Jeff Han, a scientist at New York University, showing off a multi-touch screen at a TED conference in February 2006 - a year and a half before the iPhone came out. (Han founded a company called Perceptive Pixel, and sold it to Microsoft in 2012.)

Groklaw:
"So here's a question. Does Samsung get any of its money back? I mean the money it spent and is spending to invalidate this stupid patent? The money it spent on trial over this stupid patent? The money it spent finding the prior art that Apple should have found before filing for this stupid patent? No. Nothing in US patent system is that fair."

What a pain in the **s all these patents!     Worse: Consumers always, somehow are made to pay for it. 

Yes it is rather ridiculous that others should have to foot the bill for doing the job that Apple and/or the patent office should have done.

But ....  it is the fault of the US system which allows such weird and wonderful interpretations of what is patentable.

[Wildman]

There's nothing wrong with the US patent system..Its the greedy unscrupulous evil Corporations that have hired lawyers to attack and abuse the intent of it.   

[horusfalcon]

There's nothing wrong with the US patent system..Its the greedy unscrupulous evil Corporations that have hired lawyers to attack and abuse the intent of it.   

Respectfully, I disagree.  The U.S. patent system has not kept pace with advances in technology to modernize its operations.  How can it purport to protect inventors and creators of intellectual properties if it doesn't even know what's out there?  It is also the Patent Office's responsibility to do the due diligence required to issue validpatents in the first place.  To do otherwise is a breach of public trust.

Especially as applied to software, the US patent system is quite broken.

Here's a nice article from BitLaw about the history of software patents in the U.S.:

http://www.bitlaw.com/software-patent/history.html

Of course, this isn't the whole story...

Later On,
D

[bicol_willem]

How can it purport to protect inventors and creators of intellectual properties if it doesn't even know what's out there?

Right, a sample:

Imagine THIS IS a "real thing".

No patent granted (without looking at the facts or a working machine) for this is once declared "impossible", so they been told so.

Like we were told about Edison (lamps) en Marcony (radio waves) while we know now it was Tesla all the way.

IF a patent would be granted somehow to someone it would be in the hands of the oilmen the same day and put at rest under the threat of patent claims.  Not helping any innovation, just the filthy rich.

Patents stink.

[Just17]

I just love reading about (and looking at videos of) people who want to help humanity with their latests and greatest 'whatever'.

The two most popular appear to be power generation and cures for cancer.

Most, though not all, have a donate button to 'help with the cause' of fighting big corps who are out to kill their 'whatever'.

Some like the one referenced above even invoke their god to demand donations!

Strangest of all is that not one .....  no, not even a lowly one of those great people who want to help humanity .... has ever, ever (not even on their death beds) released details of their 'whatever' so that humanity can truly benefit from whatever it is.

Strange isn't it?
All those people who want to help humanity, but won't let the information out into the public domain?


.....  well actually it isn't really strange at all ......  that is what scams are about ......  hold out a hope, and get people to pay for it in advance ......  and deliver nothing for humanity ......

The next one of those 'whatevers' I will believe in, is the one with full disclosure to ALL people, who can then prove it a hoax or a useful 'whatever'.

Wake me up when the next great thing is fully disclosed ......  until then ......

[bicol_willem]

That wasn´t about patents!  

Tja and then this;
Documented, Replicated, Scrutinized and Notarized by 40 Scientists at NASA, Yale, ASU, MIT and Organizations all over the world EXCEPT the US Patent Office? WOW!

What to say... 

[Just17]

That wasn´t about patents!   

Tja and then this;
Documented, Replicated, Scrutinized and Notarized by 40 Scientists at NASA, Yale, ASU, MIT and Organizations all over the world EXCEPT the US Patent Office? WOW!

What to say... 

I say he does not need a patent .......  release it and ensure no one can patent it ......   unless of course he is only in it for the money and not 'for mankind'!

BTW ......  if it is what it is claimed to be, then it could go into production on the basis of a 'patent pending' in the USA, and under patent in the rest of the world .......  if one were to believe what you have quoted above.

I am sure you can guess why it hasn't .....

[horusfalcon]

Regrettably there are just as many small scammers as there are large ones.  That is human nature.  There have been cases of verifiable inventions which were bought out and buried by large corporations to protect the status quo (and their profits along with it), just as large pharmaceutical corporations have buried possible cures because they make too much money managing certain diseases and conditions.  This is the way of our world.  Greed is a force humanity must bring to heel if we are ever to improve the human condition.

Just17 raises an interesting point:  is it possible to release an invention to the public domain without the threat that some unscrupulous group or person would later seek to patent it?  I don't believe it is in the United States.  Patent law has become far too tilted in favor of the big guys.

What rankles me more is to see big corporations patent things that are obviously basic principles of science, logic, or mathematics, or naturally occurring chemicals (e.g., genes) or life processes.  That's not innovation - it's theft, pure and simple, and the Patent Office is accessory after the fact.

Later On,
D

[Just17]

Just17 raises an interesting point:  is it possible to release an invention to the public domain without the threat that some unscrupulous group or person would later seek to patent it?  I don't believe it is in the United States.  Patent law has become far too tilted in favor of the big guys.

Two points I would make

the USA is not the only player and its patent system - as yet - does not govern what happens in most of the world

it is my understanding that even in the USA it is not possible to patent something for which there exists 'prior art', and have that patent upheld .....  as no doubt Apple can attest to from recent news 

[Wildman]

There's nothing wrong with the US patent system..Its the greedy unscrupulous evil Corporations that have hired lawyers to attack and abuse the intent of it.   

Respectfully, I disagree.  The U.S. patent system has not kept pace with advances in technology to modernize its operations.  How can it purport to protect inventors and creators of intellectual properties if it doesn't even know what's out there?  It is also the Patent Office's responsibility to do the due diligence required to issue validpatents in the first place.  To do otherwise is a breach of public trust.

Especially as applied to software, the US patent system is quite broken.

Here's a nice article from BitLaw about the history of software patents in the U.S.:



http://www.bitlaw.com/software-patent/history.html

Of course, this isn't the whole story...

Later On,
D

Well put and understood. I can't and don't disagree with this, however, its not the patent system, its the application, or lack of thats broken. The patent system (and much more) has degraded to almost the point of implosion.. and as said who can trust a system that does not even know what or who is involved...