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So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« on: December 11, 2012, 12:49:09 PM »
And I see this item.

Now, I'm thinking that I could use this to scan some artwork, etc.  I'm wondering two things...if it allows for a simple bitmap scan...just lack and white pixels only (for my comic art), and I figure because it's USB, just plug it into my PCLinuxOS USB and get all the scanned info.  Who really cares about the Windows software.  Plus, I can always convert the Jpeg to a .tif using Gimp.:)

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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2012, 02:27:24 PM »
My wife has one - it stores the images on a micro SD card that you can pop out and read anywhere.

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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 02:47:32 PM »
My wife has one - it stores the images on a micro SD card that you can pop out and read anywhere.

Cool!  So we wouldn't need the software anyway.....

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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2012, 06:45:21 AM »
I just confirmed that the one I'm looking at does have a switch to go to bitmap (B&W scans).:)   Could be helpful if my scanner ever fails.
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2012, 06:53:23 AM »
My brother just suggested that I first give a tablet app for scanning a try.  Could be anotehr alternative, although may require a steady hand.
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2012, 08:44:18 AM »
If I were going to use a tablet (what is the resolution of the camera?), I would probably get a cheap digital camera and rig a tripod with it pointing down...

When I first check out you link, and had a similar thought (as I watched the video and she commented about scanning anything...going to the store, etc...), just carry a small, cheap digital camera...

However, looking at the specs, it can scan at +1000 dpi for 35", that's going to be able to generate an image on the order of 9000x35000 (somewhere around 315 megapixels)...that will best most cameras (but still, the camera is easier to carry around, point and hold steady, etc. etc.).

I still think a flatbed scanner is the best option, but there seems to be a dearth of large format, high resolution scanners in the consumer market... :( :(

If you do buy it, please report back here with your thoughts and opinions.
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2012, 09:27:53 AM »
If I were going to use a tablet (what is the resolution of the camera?), I would probably get a cheap digital camera and rig a tripod with it pointing down...

When I first check out you link, and had a similar thought (as I watched the video and she commented about scanning anything...going to the store, etc...), just carry a small, cheap digital camera...

However, looking at the specs, it can scan at +1000 dpi for 35", that's going to be able to generate an image on the order of 9000x35000 (somewhere around 315 megapixels)...that will best most cameras (but still, the camera is easier to carry around, point and hold steady, etc. etc.).

I still think a flatbed scanner is the best option, but there seems to be a dearth of large format, high resolution scanners in the consumer market... :( :(

If you do buy it, please report back here with your thoughts and opinions.
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I just tested the scanning app.  It's called Cam Scanner and was free (ad supported). Pretty amazing. My camera on this tablet is 8 mega pixels (if I recall correctly).  The app also has an indicator to tell me if the camera is flat and squared up so there's no perspective shift in the image being 'scanned." 

Once you have something scanned, you can then crop and select the kind of output from f color to bitmap to grayscale. it then creates a PDF that can be uploaded to the cloud or emailed. 'm glad I stumbled on this app because i can find uses for it on the business end.

On the cartooning end, this might work if I'm really in a pinch. but the wand would give me a better image and more control.

Here's the thing.  when I create a cartoon/comic feature, I do so using a blue/non-photo blue pencil.  Then I ink over the blue lines using pen and ink or a good black marker.  I adjust my scanner settings and scan as a bitmap so only black and white pixels are being read. The blue sketch lines drop out.  This saves me time because I don't have to erase pencil lines.

You can see the process in an old web site I built back in my Windows days.

Okay the tablet scanner doesn't really get rid of all the blue lines.  Sometimes, even my flatbed picks up some remnants of the blue sketch lines.  but I can always adjust this.  The wand and tlet method may not allow for this adjustment.

Which leads me to the REAL solution needed with any of the three scanning devices.  And that is, CMYK for Gimp.

Allowing a scanned image to be broken into four parts/layers C (cyan), M (magenta), Y (yellow), and K (black) allows me to scan at full color, and just get rid of the cyan layer. ble lines would all drop out and I cold then save as a bitmap or grayscale. A much more clean process and the way, I'm told, I really should be doing all my scans.

Now, installing PhotoShop solves this. I have an older version that will run under Wine and give me CMYK. But the goal is to move away from these Windows programs.  So, if someone knows of a very good and easy method of getting CMYK in Gimp, then regardless of what scanner I use, I'm good to go.  Just scan in full color nd los the cyan layer.  And if either of my flatbed scanners fail me, I have another backup plan with tablet or wand.:)
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2012, 10:04:55 AM »
Wouldn't losing the red by adjusting its brightness to maximum with the levels tool have the same effect? Then desaturate and adjust contrast and brightness.

GIMP seems to invert the layers when decomposing to CMYK, producing negative separations.
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2012, 11:07:29 AM »
Wouldn't losing the red by adjusting its brightness to maximum with the levels tool have the same effect? Then desaturate and adjust contrast and brightness.


I dunno. I'll try. Just from experimenting, I can tel you that scanning in full color at 600 dpi take forever.  Then converting to a bitmap, the blue lines drop out, but he line art is to jagged.  So, looks lke I'll continue scanning as a bitmap in the scanner t the higher rez.  the result is a smaler file size whiel still have a nice crisp line.
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2012, 11:10:45 AM »
Can't you scan greyscale in blue?

Or decompose to CMYK, throw away all three colours and invert the black.
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2012, 11:43:07 AM »
I just tried choosing by color... choose the black, then invert your selection to choose everything else.   Click on Delete.  That makes everything except the black transparent, but you can always go back and add a white background layer under your drawing. You might try that and see if it makes the quality good enough to please you. You do an awesome job on these cartoons... I just experimented a bit to try to help, so if it makes something you don't like, we'll keep experimenting...

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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2012, 11:48:57 AM »
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2012, 12:24:34 PM »
Thanks, Memaw.:) And thanks for the kind words regarding my cartoons.:)

Just17, yes this might very well help.:)  Only thing is, I'm a bit of a puritan when it comes to installing packages to my PCLinuxOS system.  I rely on it for updating my blog, editing my toons, laying out articles in Scribus, keeping track of my finances in KMyMoney, composing a office docs in LibreOffice, etc. I'd rather not go outside the repo.  Plus, I don't have access to my main computer. I'm using my notebook and laptops backups.  I have plans to eventually get back to my main system.  But, since I'm sing my backups, I don't have any backups after these.:)

 
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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2012, 12:35:47 PM »
Thanks, Memaw.:) And thanks for the kind words regarding my cartoons.:)

Just17, yes this might very well help.:)  Only thing is, I'm a bit of a puritan when it comes to installing packages to my PCLinuxOS system.  I rely on it for updating my blog, editing my toons, laying out articles in Scribus, keeping track of my finances in KMyMoney, composing a office docs in LibreOffice, etc. I'd rather not go outside the repo.  Plus, I don't have access to my main computer. I'm using my notebook and laptops backups.  I have plans to eventually get back to my main system.  But, since I'm sing my backups, I don't have any backups after these.:)

 

You might be able to find a kindly soul who would package it for you  ;)

You could try it in VBox too .....


It does appear to do what you want .....  I don't understand this stuff very well and only gave it a cursory read .....  but it will, it seems to me, separate a pic into layers according to CYMK ....  where you should be able to delete or edit a layer to suit your purpose before saving the pic again in RGN or whatever format.

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Re: So I'm channel surfing and land on HSN...
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2012, 12:49:01 PM »
GIMP from our repo already does CMYK, but it produces negatives instead of positives of the separations, presumably on the basis they will be used in a photographic process. Colors->Components->Decompose, select the model from the list.
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