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Offline vieuxrichard

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Gettting to know Kontact
« on: December 09, 2012, 12:37:30 PM »
Currently a Win XP user, this is my first venture into the Linux world with PCLinuxOS.
Have just downloaded & installed on Virtual Box the pclinux-kde-2012.08.iso.
Not being a fan of Outlook I use OE6 & Lotus Organizer in Windows but am looking for an integrated PIM in Linux. Several reports recommend Kontact but I cannot find it on my PCLinux 2012-KDE. - all that is available in Office Applications is KOrganizer.
How do I get hold of Kontact and how do I install it?

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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2012, 12:45:36 PM »
You can also look at Thunderbird with the Lightening Add-On= e-mail and calendar.
For Kmail and Kontact, korganizer (Calendar)- open synaptic- reload then in search box type in pim, then pick the programs you want to add.
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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2012, 01:10:46 PM »
Currently a Win XP user, this is my first venture into the Linux world with PCLinuxOS.
Have just downloaded & installed on Virtual Box the pclinux-kde-2012.08.iso.
Not being a fan of Outlook I use OE6 & Lotus Organizer in Windows but am looking for an integrated PIM in Linux. Several reports recommend Kontact but I cannot find it on my PCLinux 2012-KDE. - all that is available in Office Applications is KOrganizer.
How do I get hold of Kontact and how do I install it?


After opening Synaptic, do a reload then search for kde-pim

When you have it listed, right click on it and choose  Mark For Installation. This will then mark it ready for installation along with a number of dependencies.

Then press Apply and Apply again.

Let it install.

I usually log out (not reboot) and log back in again.

In the KMenu go to the Internet and Kontact should be ready for running
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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2012, 11:15:00 AM »
Thank you for your replies. When I locate kde-pim in Synaptic, I find 22 instances of kde-pimxxxxx but no kde-pim. Of the 22 kde-pimxxxx, 6 have the green box and the rest are blank.
What to do?

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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 11:55:38 AM »
I think you need kde-pimkontact.

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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 05:08:04 PM »
Each one is a different part of it-- look through what you want and select those-- right click and Mark for Installation-- Kmail is the e-mail program, korganizer is the calendar- Knotes is the note portion, etc, you get to pick and choose what you want, or put it all in there. Your choice. 
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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2012, 12:09:50 PM »
I think PCLinuxOS 2012 has missed a trick here.

As I mentioned I am looking in the Linux world to replace OE & Lotus Organizer from Win XP. I downloaded pclinuxos-kde-2012.08.iso expecting to get Kontact.

Have found the following info. from the userbase.kde website:

These programs together form Kontact:

    * Akregator - Read your favorite feeds
    * KAddressBook - Manage your contacts
    * KJots - Your ideas organised in a Notebook
    * KMail - Mail client
    * KNode - Your usenet mail reader
    * KNotes - Sticky notes for your Desktop
    * KOrganizer - Calendar and scheduling, Journal
    * KTimeTracker - Track how much time you spend on various tasks
    * Summary - Summary screen in Kontact


What I need is Kontact available in PCLinux OS.
What I don't need is to go through a list of files, making my own version of Kontact.
The application exists somewhere, so why can't PCLinuxOS supply it with their .iso?

OpenSUSE-12.2-KDE-LiveCD-i686.iso has Kontact built in and it's half the size of the PCLinux .iso



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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2012, 02:38:37 PM »
I think PCLinuxOS 2012 has missed a trick here.

As I mentioned I am looking in the Linux world to replace OE & Lotus Organizer from Win XP. I downloaded pclinuxos-kde-2012.08.iso expecting to get Kontact.

Have found the following info. from the userbase.kde website:

These programs together form Kontact:

    * Akregator - Read your favorite feeds
    * KAddressBook - Manage your contacts
    * KJots - Your ideas organised in a Notebook
    * KMail - Mail client
    * KNode - Your usenet mail reader
    * KNotes - Sticky notes for your Desktop
    * KOrganizer - Calendar and scheduling, Journal
    * KTimeTracker - Track how much time you spend on various tasks
    * Summary - Summary screen in Kontact


What I need is Kontact available in PCLinux OS.
What I don't need is to go through a list of files, making my own version of Kontact.
The application exists somewhere, so why can't PCLinuxOS supply it with their .iso?

OpenSUSE-12.2-KDE-LiveCD-i686.iso has Kontact built in and it's half the size of the PCLinux .iso




Then just download Kontact-- type that in search on synaptic. It isn't included as the community decided awhile ago what they wanted on the iso image, and it is easy enough to add, more difficult to take out. Look at what serj posted.
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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2012, 02:49:30 PM »
... What I need is Kontact available in PCLinux OS ...

Kontact is available in PCLinuxOS repos. ;)

... The application exists somewhere, so why can't PCLinuxOS supply it with their .iso?

Because it is impossible to please every user.
PCLinuxOS gives you much more than just a set of programs.
You can build your own .iso simply and easily, and with the programs that are necessary for you. ::)
Believe me, in OpenSUSE to make it much more difficult...
« Last Edit: December 11, 2012, 02:55:13 PM by Serj »

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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2012, 12:43:10 PM »
Thank you for the help. I searched for Kontact in Synaptic & it found 2 files: kde-pimkontact & kde-pimkmail.
I downloaded kde-pimkontact & naively thought that this would be the full Kontact as per the userbase.kde website.
Having installed this I found that Mail was missing, so I downloaded kde-pimkmail. Now have all the package installed, comparable to the default installation of open-suse 12.2, except Popup Notes & Contacts. So I did another search in Synaptic and found kde-pimknotes & have now downloaded this application as well.
I thought that now at least I might be able to compare "apples and apples" except that I see on the kde-pim search in Synaptic there is also kde-pimkaddressbook. When I select this in Synaptic, it shows "to be upgraded" (?) so I mark it and it downloads 2 files.
Finally I have the same options in Kontact between open-suse & pclinuxOS.



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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2012, 04:40:59 PM »
Beware selecting an individual package to be upgraded. Sooner or later that will break your system. Always after reloading the package lists use the mark all upgrades button. As you've upgraded a single application you really need to do that urgently to ensure everything you have is designed to work together.

PCLinuxOS is a 'rolling release' or dynamic distribution. That means you can keep an installation of it going for years with weekly upgrades. Most Linux distributions bring a new .iso out every six months and drop support after a year or so. With pclos it is just updated continuously.

However, the price of that is a disciplined approach to upgrading - all or nothing, because there's no guarantee today's applications will work with yesterday's libraries etc. Weekly or fortnightly is the best frequency for upgrading, but try not to leave it longer than a month. The longer you leave it the more complicated the problem becomes with a growing risk Synaptic and the programs it relies on will be unable to work out what to do.

It's also a good idea to keep an eye on this forum to be warned if there's a problem or if any special instructions are needed , as occasionally happens.

With those two provisos you should find things work well and any problems will be easy to sort out for a good while. I installed pclos 2007 and kept it until the beginning of 2010, when everyone had to re-install because the upgrade path became too complicated to manage. If looked after, this OS will just keep going the way you like it. You can also remaster it which means making your own live media so if you do have to re-install you can keep your system the way you built it rather than reverting to the generic disc, so once you have your wanted apps installed you can make an installation disc (or usb) which will include them.

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Re: Gettting to know Kontact
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2012, 01:39:49 AM »
Thanks kjpetrie for this advice. In fact one of the things that attracted me to this Linux distro was the concept of a rolling release.

Coming from a "fixed " OS background, I am wary of the concept of an "open OS" environment because of the possible lack of discipline that could potentially exist for new releases and lack of backward compatibility. For me the main function of an OS is that it should be stable and allow users to user their applications in an environment that is controlled but sufficiently supple not to put on too many limitations. An impossible thing to achieve perhaps but for me M$ had achieved pretty much this due to the plethora of third-party apps that provided the flexibility I needed in a regulated, defined way. From bad experience I never used to run Windows update, as it often created more problems than it solved.

One of the main reasons why I would never choose Apple is precisely becuse of the fixed OS concept with very little flexibility outside of the way that Apple decides it wants its users to work.

I will be interested in seeing how well PCLOS manages its rolling releases and the levels of compatibility that it can maintain. In theory, if I understand it correctly, there should be no issues with backward compatibility if the regular updates via Synaptic are done. The fact that you have only upgraded the OS once in 3 years is very encouraging.