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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2012, 09:52:33 AM »
In EACH of those video clips, they show the end, not the whole confrontation. Also clips can be edited. Remember this, each time it is the citizen that sets the level of confrontation.  Go look at some police videos that show the entire confrontation. If the officer acts in a criminal manner, the department and the officer get sued, and the officer gets charged (by other police). 

In one clip a man was shot in the back while handcuffed, seems self explanatory to me and the fact the person in question only served two years,while the man is as of this writing is still dead seems succinct  the images and issues that are facing todays law enforcement .

As for me I don't rely on police to solve most my problems, however I will make allowance for them to needed. I just want to use a quote "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
The constraints that are used in the hospital with the same options would be a novel idea.
Not all Police are bad in America however the bad ones tends to outshine the good ones. like one bad apple in a barrel can ruin the rest.   
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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2012, 01:11:06 PM »
In EACH of those video clips, they show the end, not the whole confrontation. Also clips can be edited. Remember this, each time it is the citizen that sets the level of confrontation.  Go look at some police videos that show the entire confrontation. If the officer acts in a criminal manner, the department and the officer get sued, and the officer gets charged (by other police). 

In one clip a man was shot in the back while handcuffed, seems self explanatory to me and the fact the person in question only served two years,while the man is as of this writing is still dead seems succinct  the images and issues that are facing todays law enforcement .

As for me I don't rely on police to solve most my problems, however I will make allowance for them to needed. I just want to use a quote "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
The constraints that are used in the hospital with the same options would be a novel idea.
Not all Police are bad in America however the bad ones tends to outshine the good ones. like one bad apple in a barrel can ruin the rest.   

+5 Good Analogy!  :D
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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2012, 05:40:18 PM »
Police arrest people that commit crimes, or commit criminal acts-- the innocence part is for court. When the police office catches the person burglarizing someones house, or robbing someone or shooting some one or beating someone up, the officer arrests that person, what happens in court is something totally different.
I wonder what you would do if someone hits you, or spits on you or shoots at you, your heart is pumping and then you finally catch that person and finally get him cuffed, most of the time it is over-- MOST of the time, but they are human also and still pumping so yes sometimes it happens and they get carried away. AGAIN it was determined by the the arrestee. When  they flee the police in the auto, and lead them on a high speed chase, it was the CRIMINAL that causes the chase and puts everyone in danger-- people on the street, and the officers chasing. When things like that happen, everyone is running away, EXCEPT the police officer runs TOWARDS the danger. Shots fired, everyone running away, the officer (with a spouse and kids at home) runs towards it. More policeman in the USA have been killed since 2001 then soldiers in Afghanistan. I know of a policeman, the prisoner is handcuffed and walking his prisoner into the lock-up, prisoner leans forward and bites off officers finger and chews it an swallows it. Man is handcuffed and kicks the police, of spits on him, bites him. The confrontation is ALWAYS determined by the citizen. Yes, the Police are human, and sometimes the citizens actions will cause a more violent action REaction by the officer, by always in response to the citizens actions. The Police do hundreds of citizen contacts a day, and how many turn violent? VERY VERY few. So are all computer programmers crazy killers because of McAfee, or Hans Reiser actions? So do you judge all by the actions of a very few? I can show you lots of killers that have been arrested and convicted and sent away then get out and do it again multiple times, where is your outcry there.
   The police to NOT torture people in the USA, no matter what you want to believe. I have seen tens of thousands of arrests by thousands of officers, and never any torture. Need to stop believing what you see in the movies and on TV. Almost every policeman it is just a job they do and then go home, they are just like real people. Except their lives are on the line every minute they are out making contact with the citizens. More police are hurt in day to day confrontations then citizens.
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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2012, 06:06:15 PM »
Police officers CHOOSE to join the force.
There are standards set for their behaviour.
They receive training in how to do their job.

You may wish to be blind to the bad behaviour of some of those officers.
Most of us are not willing to ignore such behaviour.
Instead we call it for what it is ....  thuggery in uniform!
Those thugs give the rest of the force a bad name ......  and what is even worse when they get little or no punishment for their bad behaviour, it acts as an encouragement for others to do likewise.

So yes police officers run towards trouble.
That is what they are paid to do.
They are not forced to do so .....  they can leave at any time.
So, please do not make it out to be something noble they do for the rest of society because they are such good guys/gals.
It is their JOB!

Society spends to train these people to protect citizens.
Protection of citizens does not include using unnecessary force or as can be seen in many videos, using their position and uniform to play out their thuggery on citizens .....  be they innocent or guilty.

Officers who break the rules should be treated most harshly.
They are put in a position of trust by their training and job, and when they break that trust they should be condemned for it.

Trying to defend such behaviour in anyone, particularly those who are in such positions, does not make any sense at all.

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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2012, 06:44:49 PM »
NoIBnds, i couldn't read your wall of text.  i like paragraphs and space.  i think i got the gist from just17's reply.
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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2012, 07:21:02 PM »
Police officers CHOOSE to join the force.
There are standards set for their behaviour.
They receive training in how to do their job.

You may wish to be blind to the bad behaviour of some of those officers.
Most of us are not willing to ignore such behaviour.
Instead we call it for what it is ....  thuggery in uniform!
Those thugs give the rest of the force a bad name ......  and what is even worse when they get little or no punishment for their bad behaviour, it acts as an encouragement for others to do likewise.

So yes police officers run towards trouble.
That is what they are paid to do.
They are not forced to do so .....  they can leave at any time.
So, please do not make it out to be something noble they do for the rest of society because they are such good guys/gals.
It is their JOB!

Society spends to train these people to protect citizens.
Protection of citizens does not include using unnecessary force or as can be seen in many videos, using their position and uniform to play out their thuggery on citizens .....  be they innocent or guilty.

Officers who break the rules should be treated most harshly.
They are put in a position of trust by their training and job, and when they break that trust they should be condemned for it.

Trying to defend such behaviour in anyone, particularly those who are in such positions, does not make any sense at all.



   I am NOT trying to justify BAD behavior. They are punished more harshly.
   The law says that when you attack the police, they are also supposed to be punished more harshly, because when the police are attacked, they are not breaking the law, they are attacking the law on which society is based. Look at all the rap songs and movies-- KILL the POLICE...... Good basis to start a dialog. A Culture that hates society and Police represent that society.
   NO police officer justifies criminal behavior by another officer as it brings shame and ridicule on all, and makes the job more difficult. I am saying those video clips show only part of any altercation. That is why they have taken to putting cameras in police vehicles, and in the majority of cases it exonerates the officer. I never listen to only one side of a story, I prefer all the facts.
   Most police take the job to do good for society, they do NOT pay them enough to put their lives on the line day in and day out. They do it for the greater good, for the good feeling when they help someone or save someones life, or put the bad guy away. BUT they ARE human, not machines, and when they do wrong they are punished. I need to know all the facts of each situation, before I pass judgment on a situation, not just a one sided video. BUT if you saw it on the Internet it MUST be true.
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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2012, 07:49:05 PM »

Society spends to train these people to protect citizens.
Protection of citizens does not include using unnecessary force or as can be seen in many videos, using their position and uniform to play out their thuggery on citizens .....  be they innocent or guilty.



They train them to PROTECT citizens from CRIMINALS and protect the innocent that can not defend themselves. Those videos show the police and the BAD guys that the police are paid to protect society FROM. Look on-line at some police video cams and see the officers shot or beat up, or the entire confrontation, not just a small clip of the ending. In almost any situation someone is unhappy with the police, as normally one side goes to jail, or ruled against. So the police are ALWAYS the bad guys in someones eyes. You can not look at it objectively as you have no basis for comparison. See if you can ride along with the police in some big city in your country and see it is from the other side. The Police always see the worst of society-- they see the good people abused and hurt by criminals, and the very dregs of society. The abused children, or spouse and those people look to the police to make things right.
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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2012, 08:02:07 PM »
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NO police officer justifies criminal behavior by another officer as it brings shame and ridicule on all, and makes the job more difficult. I am saying those video clips show only part of any altercation.

Tell that to the migra officers who has killed Mexicans shooting through the border, the last in September was in a barbecue in a party with his daughter celebrating her birthday, all the other officers said that the man attacked them throwing stones THROUGH THE RIO BRAVO RIVER (Rio Grande as you say), a video shows that is all lies.

I don't put the video because you just choose not believe: " BUT if you saw it on the Internet it MUST be true" if you want to see it it happened near Laredo.

The migra also has shoot teenagers that admittedly throw stones to them but they didn't make an advertizing shoot, they didn't shoot to the legs, just a clean shoot to the head.

That is the same group who has been accused of rape, torture and murder and their leaders protected them, no, there are no videos on that but I don't agree with give them another thing that can work as a torture device.

Probably there are good officers but if they don't tell what they know about the "bad apples" they are not that good, they are accomplices.
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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2012, 08:41:25 PM »
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NO police officer justifies criminal behavior by another officer as it brings shame and ridicule on all, and makes the job more difficult. I am saying those video clips show only part of any altercation.

Tell that to the migra officers who has killed Mexicans shooting through the border, the last in September was in a barbecue in a party with his daughter celebrating her birthday, all the other officers said that the man attacked them throwing stones THROUGH THE RIO BRAVO RIVER (Rio Grande as you say), a video shows that is all lies.

I don't put the video because you just choose not believe: " BUT if you saw it on the Internet it MUST be true" if you want to see it it happened near Laredo.

The migra also has shoot teenagers that admittedly throw stones to them but they didn't make an advertizing shoot, they didn't shoot to the legs, just a clean shoot to the head.

That is the same group who has been accused of rape, torture and murder and their leaders protected them, no, there are no videos on that but I don't agree with give them another thing that can work as a torture device.

Probably there are good officers but if they don't tell what they know about the "bad apples" they are not that good, they are accomplices.

I am talking about Police in the USA-- I have had dealing with Mexican Police in the 70/80-- I make NO comments on any police outside the USA. Corruption is EVIL no matter where it infests in the world. Those kinds do not need handcuffs to torture-- not enough power in shock to torture, those kinds use other methods. DRUGS destroy society. I do not want to get in another drug commentary though. Legal or Illegal, they are bad for society, when abused.
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Re: Next-Gen Law Enforcement Handcuffs - can administer shocks,drugs etc
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2012, 09:14:54 PM »
Hey NoIBnds the Migra is from the USA

..... and I won't talk either about the tons of drugs distributed in that Country without police knowledge.
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