BTW, Sammy2fish, have you ever tried Matco, Cornwell, Mac, or Snap-on tools? They're in a whole other league. They fit tighter and have little to no slop on them. Yes, they're expensive, but they don't break like Craftsman/Husky/Kobalt, who I suspect are actually made by the same company. I can strip out a 1/4" drive Craftsman ratchet like nothing, but a Snap-on will take a beating.