Microsoft to stop Linux, older Windows, from running on Windows 8 PCs

[µT6]

1.2 million xbox returned?

it had to be a bigger number, i personally returned 4 in the extended warranty, 4 years

i think it has to do with microsoft doing really bad products and having to deal with the results

[sammy2fish]

1.2 million xbox returned?

it had to be a bigger number, i personally returned 4 in the extended warranty, 4 years

i think it has to do with microsoft doing really bad products and having to deal with the results

You'd think that Microsoft being as big as they are.... They'd have a better handle on things.

Guess you don't have to be the smartest kid/person on the block to survive.

[µT6]

there was a time they liked to be the bullies on the block

a bigger bully came and they now try to find their new place to be bully or new techniques to be one they were

thing is that people don't accept bullies the same way they did in the past

[Tony]

Yes thanks Tony
I have read the link, as this issue is directly effecting me now.
As I have mentioned multiple times, after using Linux for years starting with Suse then Mandriva and in the last 3~4 years PCLinux, I am now in the position for the very first time of being unable to install a Linux OS.
The reality is that unless you just browse the Net, look at pictures and movies etc, Linux will never be able to compete.

As a Comms Technical Officer working at a large corporation, there are simply too many applications and hardware that we need to access on a daily basis, which require Windows software for programming the devices and using professional applications that are absolutely essential to business.

There is one trend that seems to be (too slow) happening which might change this in the far feature, and that is the use of Web access to the devices, which makes them cross-platform compatible.

After using Windows 8 for a few weeks now, it honestly is a dead duck and will never be acceptable to large business.
Our Corporation is just now going to move in the near future to Windows 7 after 18 months of testing.

Very interesting to get some 'Real World' Technical feedback Alfred. Thankyou.

It really does stink that MS must be the OS that many large Corporations "have to run" to to be compliant.
I noticed when having some tests done in hospital, a Lung function test; that the program was running in a Virtual environment of some sort.
I said to the girl running the test, "Really, your using Windows, how un-adventurous", she had no idea.

I have a saying; "Microsoft is a large Business, Linux is more an Academic endeavor." Any thoughts ?

Plus, Industry will use UNIX as an alternative to Windows is how I see it. I feel the main Factor against using Windows in an Industrial and Business environment is a false feeling that Microsoft is offering some kind of Warranty, which of course is ridiculous. Plus the need to have a few programmers if using UNIX, or Linux; which I feel would be a million times better than any Warranty from MS.
Alfred said:

Our Corporation is just now going to move in the near future to Windows 7 after 18 months of testing.

So Alfred, what is lacking in Unix/ Linux, that your corporation is stuck with Microsoft ? Mainly compatibility issues between your Corp., and others ?

Windows 8, don't even go there !!!!

If we have to buy Hardware, and build our own Computers; which is always preferable, we'll do that. However the Certification Boot issue, UEFI, is just nasty business.

Basically we have home users, which I posted some facts how like lemmings they just accepted a broken XBox.
As µT6 said: "i personally returned 4 in the extended warranty, 4 years", as their is no other option, what else can you do ? (Buy a Playstation 3  )  Doesn't seem like a good business model though for MS, but somehow they make money. Mainly through Software Updates that people are forced to buy if they are to be compliant with others...

Industrial and Business corporations sparsely use an OS other than Windows only in areas where the environment has a deeper Technical background in management I feel. There are some huge Industries that use Unix Systems, but they are rare.

Microsoft is too used to 3rd parties fixing their problems, and have trained the public to accept crap computing.

turk101 said:

I have a brand new dell laptop that I am wiping off windows 8 and putting on windows 7....for an older gentlemen....friend of mines dad....have a dell branded dvd of windows 7....so wiped it out and putting 7 on it....plus since it is a dell branded dvd of 7...no activation.... ......then going to put pclinxos on it to...let him play with both....His dad just couldn"t figure it out...73 years old....so was easier to do this....

So turk101, no UEFI security protocol issues ?

Excuse such large post, there are a lot of issues.

[Bald Brick]

Yes thanks Tony
I have read the link, as this issue is directly effecting me now.
As I have mentioned multiple times, after using Linux for years starting with Suse then Mandriva and in the last 3~4 years PCLinux, I am now in the position for the very first time of being unable to install a Linux OS.
The reality is that unless you just browse the Net, look at pictures and movies etc, Linux will never be able to compete.

As a Comms Technical Officer working at a large corporation, there are simply too many applications and hardware that we need to access on a daily basis, which require Windows software for programming the devices and using professional applications that are absolutely essential to business.

You are probably right, but that may be because your corporate overlords have painted you into a corner. Bad decisions within the IT department or bad decisions by upper management have locked you into using an inferior operating system. In most cases there would be better alternatives, but because of company policy and compatibility reasons you are stuck with whatever you are stuck with. A ridiculous situation.

 
There is one trend that seems to be (too slow) happening which might change this in the far feature, and that is the use of Web access to the devices, which makes them cross-platform compatible.

There are dangers related to cloud computing, but insofar as it doesn't endanger one's data but simply frees people from Microsoft fiefdom I'm all for it.

 
After using Windows 8 for a few weeks now, it honestly is a dead duck and will never be acceptable to large business.
Our Corporation is just now going to move in the near future to Windows 7 after 18 months of testing.

[Crow]

You are probably right, but that may be because your corporate overlords have painted you into a corner. Bad decisions within the IT department or bad decisions by upper management have locked you into using an inferior operating system.

That happens everywhere, sometimes decisions are taken by people who doesn't completely understand but are in power positions, others is just bribery.

[µT6]

i also had a xbox, the old model, after some time it refused to open the cd tray and sometimes it liked to scratch the dvds

before that common problem, it was common to hear that the house of some xbox owner ended up burned

power cable or console had problems and was prone to catch fire

i can't remember a hardware released by microsoft that didn't had a rough start but some products proven to be worse than others

i just had problems with microsoft mouse, the scrolwheel refused to work and when used, the mouse stopped working, i couldn't apply for the two years warranty for a problem with the receipt, the store finally let me change it ofr another mouse, since microsoft mouses are expensive and hard to sell, i had to choose a extremely beautiful sony vaio mouse, couldn't be happier 

i think that in general, stay away from microsoft branded hardware is a wise choice

about the mainboards with the stupid secure boot, eventually linux will have to come with a valid solution for every distribution, meanwhile patience using windows 8 only

don't forget to install any of the multiple start button addons avaialble 

[russell.eberhardt]

Unfortunately Alfred is right in saying that there is some hardware that needs Windows.  I have the following hardware which is supplied with Windows software and for which I can  find no Linux alternative:
Weather Station
TomTom GPS
Video grabber
Automobile ECU interface

Fortunately the first two will run on XP/VirtualBox but in a way that's cheating and for now I am keeping a dual boot system.

[kjpetrie]

Wine to the rescue?

[sammy2fish]

You are probably right, but that may be because your corporate overlords have painted you into a corner. Bad decisions within the IT department or bad decisions by upper management have locked you into using an inferior operating system.

That happens everywhere, sometimes decisions are taken by people who doesn't completely understand but are in power positions, others is just bribery.

The bribery part may well be right.  Once a company is hooked on Microsoft OS, Microsoft Office... Microsoft will give them incentives to stay... that's for sure!

[Crow]

i think that in general, stay away from microsoft branded hardware is a wise choice

µT6  Microsoft makes the finest (cheap) keyboards that I have used, so not all is bad 

sammy2fish  the incentives are not for the company but for the one authorizing the buying, you can see it in government offices, universities, and other places

[YouCanToo]

You are probably right, but that may be because your corporate overlords have painted you into a corner. Bad decisions within the IT department or bad decisions by upper management have locked you into using an inferior operating system.

That happens everywhere, sometimes decisions are taken by people who doesn't completely understand but are in power positions, others is just bribery.

The bribery part may well be right.  Once a company is hooked on Microsoft OS, Microsoft Office... Microsoft will give them incentives to stay... that's for sure!

Yeah that is so very true. The Mitchell/ondemand5 software for the auto shop only works with IE and doesn't work with wine. And the guy that owns the place refuses to run Linux, because of it.  I guess that I could setup VirtualBox and run it that way.  He is running Windows 7 on his system. So far I have had to setup the printer 4 or 5 different time as the printer drivers just disappear. Something that known to happen with Windows 7. a search for "windows 7 disappearing printers" turns up About 410,000 results.  Appears it is just a wee problem.

[µT6]

now that you mention it crow, i never used a microsoft keyboard, will try to replace my no brand keyboard for a microsoft one if it doesn't cost much, anyway, last time i heard, logitech or a similar company made those devices

about win 7 and printers, haven't seen it happen, will try to see it happen

[Bald Brick]

now that you mention it crow, i never used a microsoft keyboard, will try to replace my no brand keyboard for a microsoft one if it doesn't cost much, anyway, last time i heard, logitech or a similar company made those devices

about win 7 and printers, haven't seen it happen, will try to see it happen

I posted a couple of years ago that Microsoft's "Natural keyboard" was the one thing that Microsoft got right. Somebody replied that even if the keyboard was sold under the Microsoft brand it was neither developed nor produced by Microsoft. But it was the keyboard I used for several years, and once you get accustomed to it you won't want to switch.
 

[Old-Polack]

now that you mention it crow, i never used a microsoft keyboard, will try to replace my no brand keyboard for a microsoft one if it doesn't cost much, anyway, last time i heard, logitech or a similar company made those devices

about win 7 and printers, haven't seen it happen, will try to see it happen

I posted a couple of years ago that Microsoft's "Natural keyboard" was the one thing that Microsoft got right. Somebody replied that even if the keyboard was sold under the Microsoft brand it was neither developed nor produced by Microsoft. But it was the keyboard I used for several years, and once you get accustomed to it you won't want to switch.
 

Still using mine, the 1998 elite model. I have two other keyboards, used prior to getting this one, that are packed up back in their original boxes and haven't seen the light of day since I got this one back in 1998. I need to get another (they can still be found) as a back up for when this one finally fails.

Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard