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by John Timmer - Nov 20, 2012 - arstechnica

Many governments have set a goal for limiting climate change: two degrees by the end of the century, and no more. However, most projections show we're lagging badly. Unless we accelerate a transition to renewables and nuclear, we're going to shoot right past that 2°C limit. But even as the hand-wringing about missed targets and bad trajectories has increased, it's been relatively rare to see a detailed analysis of the potential consequence. The World Bank has now stepped into that breach.

In a report released today, the World Bank analyzed the consequences of allowing temperatures to reach 4°C above preindustrial levels by the end of the century. Even the well understood problems—up to a meter of sea level rise, winter months that are warmer than our current summers—sound pretty ugly. The report also notes the possibility of tipping points and synergies make some of the impacts much harder to predict.

The report itself is a collaboration between the Bank's Global Expert Team for Climate Change Adaptation and the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research and Climate Analytics. In addition to taking a different perspective on the problem of climate change, the report comes at a valuable time. It's been five years since the release of the fourth Assessment Report from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change; the fifth isn't due until late next year.

So, what are the chances of adding an extra 4°C by the end of the century? The report estimates that, even if all countries are able to meet their current emissions pledges, there's still a 20 percent chance we'll hit 4°C by the end of the century. The longer we wait to meet those pledges, the harder it will be in part because it means we've already built fossil fuel infrastructure that has a life span of decades.

What does a world that much warmer look like? To give a sense of how hard it is to imagine, the report notes some points in the last glacial period were only 4.5°colder than present temperatures—and there were ice sheets covering a lot of the Northern Hemisphere. We've already hit levels of CO2 in the atmosphere that haven't been seen in over 15 million years. To reach 4°C, they'd have to roughly double again. And these changes would take place at a pace that probably has few geological precedents.

So, even the report's authors admit that predications are a challenge. Still, they do their best to try to paint a picture, and boy, is it grim.

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Please, let's not do this.

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It would be nice to see some of this alleged warming hereabouts ...  anything that can help in that respect do it!

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One theory is that increased global temperatures will turn off the Gulf Stream, causing Western Europe (and especially the islands surrounded by the nice warm water) to freeze.
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One theory is that increased global temperatures will turn off the Gulf Stream, causing Western Europe (and especially the islands surrounded by the nice warm water) to freeze.


In this case warm is a relative term  :D  ;D
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Considering that the majority of global warming is the increase of solar storms, the point is mute.  We can end all of the stuff that people are doing to increase the average temperature and it will still rise.  We are at a solar maximum that (according to scientists) happen on a cyclical basis of every 3 thousand years.  How they came up with that I have no clue, but it is not my forte. 

As for carbon footprints, the almost gone bison had a bigger one when they wandered the plains several hundred years ago and the world didn't spiral into the sun.  The Earth was around for millions of years before we came along, and it will continue for several million after we have become nothing but an annoying memory.

Humanity is very adaptable and we will continue to adapt or go the way of the multitudes of lifeforms that preceded us.  Another of Mother Natures experiments  coming to an end.

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One theory is that increased global temperatures will turn off the Gulf Stream, causing Western Europe (and especially the islands surrounded by the nice warm water) to freeze.


higher temperature  = climate change
less rain = climate change
more rain = climate change
earthquakes = climate change
freezing in W Europe = climate change
more storms, fewer storms = climate change
As carbon taxes and carbon offsets benefit banks, hardly a surprise that banks propagandize climate change. 

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One theory is that increased global temperatures will turn off the Gulf Stream, causing Western Europe (and especially the islands surrounded by the nice warm water) to freeze.


higher temperature  = climate change
less rain = climate change
more rain = climate change
earthquakes = climate change
freezing in W Europe = climate change
more storms, fewer storms = climate change
As carbon taxes and carbon offsets benefit banks, hardly a surprise that banks propagandize climate change. 


Climate change is not a question, and the only propaganda about it comes from denialists funded by the oil industry.  In a strange twist, some of these same denialists are the same "experts" that the tobacco industry used when they were arguing before congress that their product was safe.

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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Found it!!!

If we are going into global warming, then these guys measurements are off.  The Arctic Ice is bouncing back and above 2007 levels.  So, if the ice is increasing at the top of the world, that means that we are headed to the next Ice Age, following the logic of certain published individuals.  Ice shelf melts, world headed for extreme heat, ice shelf grows, must be an ice age coming.
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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Found it!!!

If we are going into global warming, then these guys measurements are off.  The Arctic Ice is bouncing back and above 2007 levels.  So, if the ice is increasing at the top of the world, that means that we are headed to the next Ice Age, following the logic of certain published individuals.  Ice shelf melts, world headed for extreme heat, ice shelf grows, must be an ice age coming.


...... but .... but .... but ... that coming ice age is due to global warming or did you not get that bit?

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the World Bank analyzed the consequences of allowing temperatures to reach 4°C above preindustrial levels


I love that one  :D

Humans are so in control of global climate that we can determine how it operates!

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Climate change is not a question, and the only propaganda about it comes from denialists funded by the oil industry.  In a strange twist, some of these same denialists are the same "experts" that the tobacco industry used when they were arguing before congress that their product was safe.

Interesting observation but it's based on derivative logic.  Like saying grass is green, a cow eats grass therefore a cow must also be green!
Tobacco contains drugs - drugs are bad therefore denying global warming is like taking drugs?  ;D
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http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Found it!!!

If we are going into global warming, then these guys measurements are off.  The Arctic Ice is bouncing back and above 2007 levels.  So, if the ice is increasing at the top of the world, that means that we are headed to the next Ice Age, following the logic of certain published individuals.  Ice shelf melts, world headed for extreme heat, ice shelf grows, must be an ice age coming.


It is the rate of ice increase they are talking about, and the amount is higher than the previous record low amount from 2007.  This is further evidence of anthropogenic climate change, if you actually read the article.

The site you are quoting is not a denialist site, by the way:  http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/faq/#anthropogenic

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Climate change is not a question, and the only propaganda about it comes from denialists funded by the oil industry.  In a strange twist, some of these same denialists are the same "experts" that the tobacco industry used when they were arguing before congress that their product was safe.

Interesting observation but it's based on derivative logic.  Like saying grass is green, a cow eats grass therefore a cow must also be green!
Tobacco contains drugs - drugs are bad therefore denying global warming is like taking drugs?  ;D
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No, it's just evidence that these are guys who are willing to lie if paid by industry, even if the industry they are lying for causes widespread and severe damage.

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The earth has been here for a long long time,changes occur, how can man say this or that,we are merely an ugly splotch in an infinite universe.
The earth will carry on with or without any help from us,who do we think we are?
Just one catastrophic volcano eruption will plunge the earth into a nightmare no amount of man made pollution will account for.
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The earth has been here for a long long time,changes occur, how can man say this or that,we are merely an ugly splotch in an infinite universe.
The earth will carry on with or without any help from us,who do we think we are?
Just one catastrophic volcano eruption will plunge the earth into a nightmare no amount of man made pollution will account for.
Get real, we are just microbes in a vast galaxy.  

Thank you for backing my original point that we are less than dust in the wind of the Milky Way.  With the increase of solar activity, the planet will warm.  We have found that Mars is warming up, without any industry running there.  The decades of probes there have measured the rise and it mirrors what is happening here on Earth.  So if two planets in the same system are experiencing the same rise, it can't be that the lifeforms on one are causing the problem. 
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The earth has been here for a long long time,changes occur, how can man say this or that,we are merely an ugly splotch in an infinite universe.
The earth will carry on with or without any help from us,who do we think we are?
Just one catastrophic volcano eruption will plunge the earth into a nightmare no amount of man made pollution will account for.
Get real, we are just microbes in a vast galaxy.  

Thank you for backing my original point that we are less than dust in the wind of the Milky Way.  With the increase of solar activity, the planet will warm.  We have found that Mars is warming up, without any industry running there.  The decades of probes there have measured the rise and it mirrors what is happening here on Earth.  So if two planets in the same system are experiencing the same rise, it can't be that the lifeforms on one are causing the problem.  


The sun cycles,it is now in a hot phase,let's all remember it is a dying star after all,nothing man can do will change that.....

And a dying star gets hotter until supernova,the hotter a planets star gets can cause havoc to the magnetic plains of said planet orbiting the star and cause massive disruption in atmospherics,heat a magnet up until it is red and then try to pick something up with it(use heat resistant gloves ;D)
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