Just pressing reload and mark all updates without looking what will happen isn't the best idea especially if there comes a whole environment update.
But this is an intolerable situation. Do you realize what it means to people like me who are not "Linux-masters" but merely ordinary users?
All I want to do is to use PCLOS and have it work 100% of the time - and that means without going through a lot of unnecessary hoops.
Why would updates which will 'break' the system even be put into the repository in the first place? While I realize that those running the system are unpaid volunteers with only a limited amount of time to work on it, it seems to me that updates within the repository should be tested and be known to be fully compatible with their applicable programs. (This includes the updates that 'broke' the palimpsest [Gnome Disk Utility] program.) If an update is not fully compatible, it should not be put into the repository until it can be made fully compatible.
At least this is my opinion.
In the current situation, I cannot know from day to day whether or not my operating system will be fully functional. When I start my computer (with any Linux distro I happen to be using), the first thing I do - always - is to update the system. I do this daily and I expect that only improvements will be made. I do not expect something that may 'break' my system (and yes, I know that sometimes it inadvertently happens, but that is rare, at least with the 'buntus and, with them, it is fixed quickly [it hasn't happened in a couple of years]).
As for effecting a complete re-installation of PCLOS and then having to manually select or deselect what is to be upgraded, well, as I said before, again in my opinion, this is an intolerable situation.
I shall continue to monitor this forum in the hope that someone can adjust the repository (and, by the way, I use the default http://ftp.nluug.nl/ibiblio/ repository) such that updating it will work automatically, as intended.
Thank you for writing and I sincerely hope that something can be done - and quickly. The two computers in question (the ones on which I had been using PCLOS) are computers we take on trips and I won't actually need them until next year. (I had been using them extensively so that I could learn as much as possible about the PCLOS distribution which I like very much.) I am leaving them totally 'wiped' - that is, with no OS installed - in the hope that PCLOS can soon be fixed such that I am able to install it again, upgrade it again, and use it again - simply and easily - and that I can be fully confident in the stability of the OS.
Where were you during the testing period of the new version of XFCE4? It went on for a couple of months.
Any road, upgrading an ISO that is around 9 or 10 months old is inadvisable with a continuously changing (i.e. rolling release) system. There are just too many changes. The older the ISO, the more likely it is that something will break. There is no way that we can provide a way around that.
Our good ghostbunny has been and is working hard on XFCE for our members who use it. The problem with upgrading phoenix is in no way due to his work.
Phoenix has been removed now as it is too old to be upgraded.
Dear Neal ManBear,
I discovered PCLinuxOS only this past August, long after any testing period was completed. I first tried the KDE 'flavor' and I just do not like KDE. (I had the same experience with K-----u.) I am sure that most people do indeed like KDE but not me.
Then I decided to try the Xfce version; this is fully satisfactory (at least for me). (My 'buntu systems are X-----u and U----n Studio, both of which use the Xfce Desktop Environment.) Unfortunately (again, for me), there are only three ways I learn things: Read about programs, etc. on forums such as this one (and 'Googling' any other questions), ask direct questions on forums such as this one (and this forum is the best of any I have ever used!), and try different things. This last often causes breakage of my system - but once that happens, I know what I did, and I know not to do it again.
I constantly (generally daily) back up my files, documents, pictures, etc. and it is (or has been) an easy process to merely effect a 'clean' re-installation and then copy back those files.
This time, obviously, I could not effect a 'clean' installation with my 2012.02 disc (nor, I believe, can anyone else without going through major 'hoops'). I am glad I reported this and that you have taken down that .iso.
Until now, with PCLOS Phoenix. I didn't realize that this sort of thing can happen with a 'rolling-release' type of distribution (nor was I aware that Synaptic itself might be part of the problem).
I hope that ghostbunny can create a new (and hopefully more stable) version of the PCLOS Phoenix Edition .iso which I shall download and try on at least one of my computers. If it is, as I hope, satisfactory, I shall install it on two of the three computers we take with us when we travel (but I'll keep a 'buntu on one of them "just in case").
I like PCLOS very much - except for the fact that a) standard updating 'broke' palimpsest [Gnome Disk Utility] (I hope this can be fixed on the new .iso) and b) MakeMKV is not yet an 'official' program on PCLOS (though Archie has been kind enough to create a package each time the program is updated).
I expect that, in the future, as I pretty much had my system configured the way I wanted it prior to my 'breaking' it, I shall not try anything new (I know what I like and need); that way I should hope that the system will not be broken going forward.
I hope too that, if there is another major environment update (or a major update in anything else), that a notice marked "Important" (for the environment in question - KDE, Xfce, LXDE) can be posted prominently (perhaps the first item) on the forum which one will see when first accessing the forum; when another .iso is created, negating any untoward effects, this notice can be taken down.
Thank you for writing to me and for your and ghostbunny's explanations. I want you to know that I very much appreciate all the work you do and all the time you spend helping me (and all others).
I look forward to being a happy PCLOS user again.